Tsunami Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 Who was it that said "You contribute nothing to the Play Offs debate, because it is the same old, same old." When I repeated this paragraph several times in my original post it wasn't a mistake, lol! "The pokc sycophants told me that the pokc was brilliant because it attracted huge attendances for the finals and created more meaningful meetings for the mediocre mid table teams. Besides if I was right about the pokc affecting attendances then getting rid would see an increase in attendances, completely ignoring all the other factors affecting attendances." The 'benefits' (fwiw) of the pokc have been acknowledged, how is that burying heads in sand? In fact the only people doing the 'head burying' are the ones who fail to acknowledge the negatives of the pokc which, although quite subtle in the pokc infancy, have become more and more pronounced each and every year. Me, and it was directed toward TWK Rubbish Only if you were trying o believe it Much is being made of the fact that the team with most money will win the championship by virtue of being able to throw most at the best guest available. Is that really the way a season-long competition should be decided, by scrapping to procure the best rider available from another club's team for a couple of matches? At least during a season injuries, bad luck, poor refs usually even themselves out. Getting the best guest to replace someone of the same average, Wow, now there's a thing, something that happens every week of the season of course. It does mean that the teams can still fight evenly in the playoffs, and defuse the imbalance of an injury to a rider. Same as what would happen during the previous system, so what's so different. So by your inference, the old system should be retained, and the extra meetings and income should be stopped, incase someone gets a wee help by getting a guest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 Me, and it was directed toward TWK Rubbish Only if you were trying o believe it Getting the best guest to replace someone of the same average, Wow, now there's a thing, something that happens every week of the season of course. It does mean that the teams can still fight evenly in the playoffs, and defuse the imbalance of an injury to a rider. Same as what would happen during the previous system, so what's so different. So by your inference, the old system should be retained, and the extra meetings and income should be stopped, incase someone gets a wee help by getting a guest. Well, what a surprise. I post I would prefer a championship to be decided by a team's efforts throughout the season when incidences of injuries and the like even out between all the teams rather than by a scramble to beat the opposition for the services of some other team's rider to win it for you over a couple of matches and you answer, what it is Drop a cog's posted, '....they're brilliant because they attract huge attendances.......' What is it you posted, oh yes, 'the same old same old'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 Well, what a surprise. I post I would prefer a championship to be decided by a team's efforts throughout the season when incidences of injuries and the like even out between all the teams rather than by a scramble to beat the opposition for the services of some other team's rider to win it for you over a couple of matches and you answer, what it is Drop a cog's posted, '....they're brilliant because they attract huge attendances.......' What is it you posted, oh yes, 'the same old same old'. If I was you I would read it again, and the context he(DaC) said it. VB - same old, same old. You never change. I like the colour coding. I'm not clever enough to do it though. Agreed Red- It doesn't really matter who the original comment was aimed at, that, as I'm sure you realise wasn't the reason for the quote. Maybe Blue - I couldn't think of a better way of putting it! (Well I could but it would be very sarcastic and possibly slightly offensive to the person(s) who did post that) Sarcasm again, must reread those BV New Stadium posts again, getting more concerned. Turquoise? - two Kings Lynn fans at a meeting to decide if they finish top! Do you really think only two would have turned up if a win would have clinched the league title? Like I said (or you said?) 'burying head in sand'. Bit of a dreamer ah. Yes, there would be a decent crowd, but the PO'S deliver MORE big meetings. I'm surprised you've chosen to offer an alternative to VB's post but I'll leave him to discuss it with you. Many Thanks I'm off to watch eposode 1 and 2 of 'Mount Pleasant' back to back. How good is that? Doesn't get any better, eh. See ya! Don't think so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) If I was you I would read it again, and the context he(DaC) said it. VB - same old, same old. You never change. No, I think I've got it right. Maybe you'd like to read my initial post again and see the point I was making. It wasn't the use of guests per se. Edited September 24, 2014 by Vincent Blackshadow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 (edited) No, I think I've got it right. Maybe you'd like to read my initial post again and see the point I was making. It wasn't the use of guests per se. Your first post was post 42 which was about guests, and my reply in the second half of post 43 WAS about the use of guests. References about increased attendances was in reply to DaC's sarcasm and none acceptance of them. One huge whoooosssshhhh (answer to blue) a couple of standard whooshes and one baby whoosh, and a proper 'head in sand' moment, all in one post! Good work, lol! Sounds like a lot of hot air from you. Whoosh. Nowt changes. Edited September 25, 2014 by Tsunami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 Your first post was post 42 which was about guests, and my reply in the second half of post 43 WAS about the use of guests. References about increased attendances was in reply to DaC's sarcasm and none acceptance of them. You still haven't got the point of that initial post. Never mind, let's leave it there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 Yawn, DAC. We know you don't like the play offs. Why don't you just go away? We use to have pages and pages of wingers like you when the play offs were first introduced but thankfully only a tiny percentage of the dinosaurs bothered putting fingers to keyboard. They've gone now and it's pretty much just down to you. Why hang about having a moan, just go like all the rest have. If you bring other family members to meetings, then take them with you. I get the same thing from the lads at work about being a fan of wrestling. Pretty much every bout goes right down to the wire and the excitement is every bit as good as the play off run in. Being a fan of the play off system I've badgered the powers that be to adopt a system that saw ever match decided at the business end. You basically multiply the loosing teams score in heat 15 by 2,3,4 or what ever it mathematically needs for them to potential win resulting in all meeting ending in last heat deciders. A dinosaur like you would winge about riders not trying in the earlier heats, blah blah blah. Every match being a last heat decider would bring the crowds in. The Aces would have "won" the match on Monday against the Bees if such a system was in place and this would have seen them leave the stadium happy and eager to return for the next fixture, probably with friends in tow. It would give the wrestling a run for its money in terms of shear excitement but I'm sure you'll bang on about it not being cricket old sport. Well it's not 'cause cricket is boring, just like you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 Yawn, DAC. We know you don't like the play offs. Why don't you just go away? We use to have pages and pages of wingers like you when the play offs were first introduced but thankfully only a tiny percentage of the dinosaurs bothered putting fingers to keyboard. They've gone now and it's pretty much just down to you. Why hang about having a moan, just go like all the rest have. If you bring other family members to meetings, then take them with you. I get the same thing from the lads at work about being a fan of wrestling. Pretty much every bout goes right down to the wire and the excitement is every bit as good as the play off run in. Being a fan of the play off system I've badgered the powers that be to adopt a system that saw ever match decided at the business end. You basically multiply the loosing teams score in heat 15 by 2,3,4 or what ever it mathematically needs for them to potential win resulting in all meeting ending in last heat deciders. A dinosaur like you would winge about riders not trying in the earlier heats, blah blah blah. Every match being a last heat decider would bring the crowds in. The Aces would have "won" the match on Monday against the Bees if such a system was in place and this would have seen them leave the stadium happy and eager to return for the next fixture, probably with friends in tow. It would give the wrestling a run for its money in terms of shear excitement but I'm sure you'll bang on about it not being cricket old sport. Well it's not 'cause cricket is boring, just like you. Oh dear. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 Oh dear. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Yep, but he's not wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 Yawn, DAC. We know you don't like the play offs. Why don't you just go away? We use to have pages and pages of wingers like you when the play offs were first introduced but thankfully only a tiny percentage of the dinosaurs bothered putting fingers to keyboard. They've gone now and it's pretty much just down to you. Why hang about having a moan, just go like all the rest have. If you bring other family members to meetings, then take them with you. I get the same thing from the lads at work about being a fan of wrestling. Pretty much every bout goes right down to the wire and the excitement is every bit as good as the play off run in. Being a fan of the play off system I've badgered the powers that be to adopt a system that saw ever match decided at the business end. You basically multiply the loosing teams score in heat 15 by 2,3,4 or what ever it mathematically needs for them to potential win resulting in all meeting ending in last heat deciders. A dinosaur like you would winge about riders not trying in the earlier heats, blah blah blah. Every match being a last heat decider would bring the crowds in. The Aces would have "won" the match on Monday against the Bees if such a system was in place and this would have seen them leave the stadium happy and eager to return for the next fixture, probably with friends in tow. It would give the wrestling a run for its money in terms of shear excitement but I'm sure you'll bang on about it not being cricket old sport. Well it's not 'cause cricket is boring, just like you. IYO of course, I think Wrestling is Sh!te and your idea of close scores and multiple subtraction = mass X volume in heat 15 is ridiculous also.... How would that work?? One a..... Two a?? Yours faithfully Terry Rex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 Have to say a great Whoosh from Ouch ..anyone would think that he was Drop a Cog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 Ah what a woosher!!!! Top woosher ..... Have to say a great Whoosh from Ouch ..anyone would think that he was Drop a Cog aye, old fireside log was in like a shot, hmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko Posted September 27, 2014 Report Share Posted September 27, 2014 I fully agree with the OP and in fact suggested something similar only a week or two ago. Poole have finished top so the challenge is there for Pirates fans! regardless of whether you win the play offs, will you be clubbing together to give the club something to honor their top of the table finish? You claim to be the biggest club with the biggest fan base, well lets see you set an example then! Please do not come back and say it does not matter because you will win the play offs anyway, this is not about the play offs! its about recognizing that a team has over the course of a season has out performed their competition. The BSPA wont ever do anything officially for fear that it might take some of the gloss of the play offs which might then put the sky deal in jeopardy? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted September 27, 2014 Report Share Posted September 27, 2014 The Rugby League table toppers trophy doesn't put their Sky deal in jeopardy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted September 27, 2014 Report Share Posted September 27, 2014 IYO of course, I think Wrestling is Sh!te and your idea of close scores and multiple subtraction = mass X volume in heat 15 is ridiculous also.... How would that work?? One a..... Two a?? Yours faithfully Terry Rex. Dinosaur. Anybody who cannot see the merits of a system that ensures a nail biting, to the wire end of a tournament is out of touch with modern day speedway. ELRC, British Final, etc, etc, geddit? If your struggling with my proposed inventive scoring in heat 15 then to make it simpler we can have a winner takes all heat 16. Tagging something extra on to the end of a contest is the way to go and mearly builds and the successful thinking used in the play offs. We need to move this method into other areas of the sport and reap the rewards. Always look to be moving forward not backwards. Having said that the old method of determining the World Champion had a winner takes all final seeing Jersey shezsomebody and pop star Egon Muller claim the title. Perhaps the GP series could learn a thing or two as they still adopt the lame method of accumulated scores over a season to find a "winner". Boring. Anyway can't stop as iI'm off to the Town Hall for the wrestling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted September 27, 2014 Report Share Posted September 27, 2014 The season has now come to a close and Poole have ended up the winners of the Elite League, I am not a Poole fan, so I am not doing out of love of the team but they finished top of the league and won. This years play off's have become completely meaningless as the mojority of teams are missing to many riders and they are now being made up of guest riders to take thier places in the teams. This season has been a long hard road for them and I really think that they could do better to just forget them and let the riders have a well deserved break. So far we only have 1 team that has a full team line up, I hope it stays that way too, as there have been far to many bad accidents this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 27, 2014 Report Share Posted September 27, 2014 Dinosaur. Anybody who cannot see the merits of a system that ensures a nail biting, to the wire end of a tournament is out of touch with modern day speedway. ELRC, British Final, etc, etc, geddit? If your struggling with my proposed inventive scoring in heat 15 then to make it simpler we can have a winner takes all heat 16. Tagging something extra on to the end of a contest is the way to go and mearly builds and the successful thinking used in the play offs. We need to move this method into other areas of the sport and reap the rewards. Always look to be moving forward not backwards. Having said that the old method of determining the World Champion had a winner takes all final seeing Jersey shezsomebody and pop star Egon Muller claim the title. Perhaps the GP series could learn a thing or two as they still adopt the lame method of accumulated scores over a season to find a "winner". Boring. Anyway can't stop as iI'm off to the Town Hall for the wrestling. At least try to make an effort so we might not think your not Drop a Clanger . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skodaman Posted September 28, 2014 Report Share Posted September 28, 2014 As I said before - a lot of people feel the same as me. Not everyone obviously. If you cannot see that all of this 'new stuff' isn't working - then you are fooling yourself. I am not saying I have all the answers - I DON'T. But to say that those who are leaving the Sport have a problem as opposed to the Sport itself having problems, then you must be deluded. David Hemsley indicated at Leicesters final meeting that he felt the sport has problems. Too many people are doing whats best for them and not the sport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted September 28, 2014 Report Share Posted September 28, 2014 David Hemsley indicated at Leicesters final meeting that he felt the sport has problems. Too many people are doing whats best for them and not the sport He's only saying what the fans have been saying for years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted September 28, 2014 Report Share Posted September 28, 2014 David Hemsley indicated at Leicesters final meeting that he felt the sport has problems. Too many people are doing whats best for them and not the sport Perhaps he is waking up and smelling the Coffee. About time somebody did. :sad: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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