Tsunami Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 As, probably, the main moaner on this Forum regarding the 'Play Offs' I would like to make a suggestion. Why not have a Trophy and a Name for the Team finishing TOP!! I would make so bold as to suggest that you could call the Trophy the League Championship Trophy and that you could call the Winners (those at the TOP) the League Champions as indeed they are. Then you could have the 'Play Offs', you could have a Trophy called the 'Play Off' Champion's Trophy the Winner of the Competition to be called the 'Play Off' Champions, as indeed they would be. They could NOT be League Champions if they have NOT won the League, to call them that would be a misnomer. Problem solved - but - not in Speedway. The solution is simple really. Or in many other major sports. Move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 Or in many other major sports. Move on. Only my opinion Dave - to which, I think you will agree, I am entitled. That is what the Forum is for - airing your views. When something comes up to which I can contribute - I shall continue to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 Only my opinion Dave - to which, I think you will agree, I am entitled. That is what the Forum is for - airing your views. When something comes up to which I can contribute - I shall continue to do so. You are but you say the same thing about 100 times ...As he said move on . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 You are but you say the same thing about 100 times ...As he said move on . I wish I had a Pound for every time you had Posted the same old things about the Elite League orion. Live and let live I say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 (edited) As, probably, the main moaner on this Forum regarding the 'Play Offs' I would like to make a suggestion. Only my opinion Dave - to which, I think you will agree, I am entitled. That is what the Forum is for - airing your views. When something comes up to which I can contribute - I shall continue to do so. You contribute nothing to the Play Offs debate, because it is the same old, same old. Edited September 23, 2014 by Tsunami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Jasper Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 Scrap the idea SCB, Poole finished top. On a serious note though, the PLAY OFFS determine the League Champions, speedway / Sky has decided this is the best way to go, to have them renamed as play off winners would instantly devalue them. Whats better than the top 4 team scrapping it out to win the League? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 You contribute nothing to the Play Offs debate, because it is the same old, same old. Some constructive views from you might help - or - can you not see that the lack of credibility has caused me to give up the Sport. Don't you care? I KNOW there are a lot more people who feel as I do, but just put up with it. In their turn though - they will leave - eventually. PLENTY ALREADY HAVE!!! Nobody seems interested in asking the question WHY people are voting with their feet. Nobody seems to give a damn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 Scrap the idea SCB, Poole finished top. On a serious note though, the PLAY OFFS determine the League Champions, speedway / Sky has decided this is the best way to go, to have them renamed as play off winners would instantly devalue them. Whats better than the top 4 team scrapping it out to win the League? The team finishing top to win the league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 The team finishing top to win the league. Except you are NOT allowed to say so. :mad: As often as I like.................................. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 Except you are NOT allowed to say so. :mad: As often as I like.................................. It seems there are 1 or 2 on this forum who would stop me having any opinions at all, if they disagree with their's of course. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 (edited) You contribute nothing to the Play Offs debate, because it is the same old, same old. The team finishing top to win the league. Except you are NOT allowed to say so. :mad: As often as I like.................................. It seems there are 1 or 2 on this forum who would stop me having any opinions at all, if they disagree with their's of course. Lol! When the pokc was first introduced I said the champions should be the best team not the winners of a mini KO cup contest at the end of the season. In my opinion most people would agree with me and see that it devalues the sport and have a detrimental affect on attendances. The pokc sycophants told me that the pokc was brilliant because it attracted huge attendances for the finals and created more meaningful meetings for the mediocre mid table teams. Besides if I was right about the pokc affecting attendances then getting rid would see an increase in attendances, completely ignoring all the other factors affecting attendances. Both statements are probably true but I preferred the league format. The problem with my argument was it was just my preference. I prefer filet steak to a Big Mac and fries but there are lots more burgers sold which obviously means, for various reasons, more people prefer the burger. I then argued that the pokc wasn't fair as it penalised teams who had injuries at the wrong time of the season. The league format is much more likely to even out injuries, bad luck and bad decisions over the course of the season. That isn't an opinion it is a fact. The pokc sycophants told me that the pokc was brilliant because it attracted huge attendances for the finals and created more meaningful meetings for the mediocre mid table teams. Besides if I was right about the pokc affecting attendances then getting rid would see an increase in attendances, completely ignoring all the other factors affecting attendances. I then realised that some teams, having already qualified for the pokc, would use regular league meetings as some sort of practice and not actually worry about the result of the meeting. Leigh Adams actually said what I had been thinking in an interview at a meeting between the top two sides a couple of weeks before the pokc. Apparently teams not trying isn't a problem for some, even fans who have paid good money to attend the meeting, go figure? The pokc sycophants told me that the pokc was brilliant because it attracted huge attendances for the finals and created more meaningful meetings for the mediocre mid table teams. Besides if I was right about the pokc affecting attendances then getting rid would see an increase in attendances, completely ignoring all the other factors affecting attendances. It then became clear that these end of season meetings involving the top teams were in fact meaningless thanks to the pokc. Top teams vying for top spot used to attract much bigger than average attendances and now they attract smaller than average attendances as fans realise that paying to go and watch a practice isn't that good. I pointed out the harm the pokc was doing to attendances but for a different reason. The pokc sycophants told me that the pokc was brilliant because it attracted huge attendances for the finals and created more meaningful meetings for the mediocre mid table teams. Besides if I was right about the pokc affecting attendances then getting rid would see an increase in attendances, completely ignoring all the other factors affecting attendances. More recently attendances seemed to be disappointing at the start of the season and a quick look at the league tables for the last few seasons revealed the pokc winners only needed to win around half their meetings! To win the league a team needs to win well over 75%. The result, more meaningless meetings which effectively cancel out the extra meaningful meetings for the mediocre mid table teams the pokc generates. The pokc sycophants told me that the pokc was brilliant because it attracted huge attendances for the finals and created more meaningful meetings for the mediocre mid table teams. Besides if I was right about the pokc affecting attendances then getting rid would see an increase in attendances, completely ignoring all the other factors affecting attendances. As you can see, it's the pokc sycophants who contribute nothing to the debate and trot out the same hackneyed comments year after year after year. In the meantime the effects are laid bare for all to see. What would usually happen now is the pokc sycophants would say....... The pokc sycophants told me that the pokc was brilliant because it attracted huge attendances for the finals and created more meaningful meetings for the mediocre mid table teams. Besides if I was right about the pokc affecting attendances then getting rid would see an increase in attendances, completely ignoring all the other factors affecting attendances. But they will desperately be trying to come up with something different. They won't be able to of course so they will either keep schtum or trot out some gormless insult. As far as the 'fans cup' is concerned, if someone clever got involved they could get, say, Monster or Red Bull to sponsor it and we could have the winners of the league getting the Fans Monster Cup with prize money of say £250k for the winner and the winners of the pokc would be the sky elite league champions. Seems like some on here are getting a bit too touchy. No one is saying that others can't have an opinion, but as usual it is quoted back to shift the discussion. My term "the same old,same old" was directed to someone on here, who bores the backside off everyone by repeating verbatim the same old point time and time again. That adds NOTHING to the discussion, and on Play Offs they have been discussed at length many times and their advantages in our sport and others described in great detail, particularly the added interest at the end of a season, which means a greater number of teams are actually looking at qualifying, whilst in the old fashion previous championships , possibly only about 2 or 3 are actually be going for it. Injuries can happen at anytime in a Play Offs or League format, it just depends on when they happen. Drop a Cog. I don't think your sarcasm of bigger gates does your opinions much good, as increased attendances do happen before, and during, Play offs, but didn't happen before when 2 or 3 teams were jostling for that single championship. Too many on here thing tomorrow is going to about yesterday. No it's not. That's why we have reducing attendances because too many long for yesterday with everything, and the world for the rest of us has moved on, and the old fails to attract these new more modern fans that could and should be attracted. DaC. I hope to hell the new BV venture is listening to modern sports fans, rather than it be strangled by the old. Final thought to TWK and others. I am a big SPEEDWAY fan, watching 4 riders racing around track 4 times in a race. Never once have I been to watch a meeting to watch the rules, or protest about who I am watching ride or why they could should not be riding. For people like TWK to keep banging on, and giving up watching speedway, because of TR's and/or Play Offs, I would then suggest that their difficulties are not speedway. Edited September 23, 2014 by Tsunami 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 (edited) Something went wrong when I Posted my Reply to Tsunami's Post. Seems like some on here are getting a bit too touchy. No one is saying that others can't have an opinion, but as usual it is quoted back to shift the discussion. My term "the same old,same old" was directed to someone on here, who bores the backside off everyone by repeating verbatim the same old point time and time again. That adds NOTHING to the discussion, and on Play Offs they have been discussed at length many times and their advantages in our sport and others described in great detail, particularly the added interest at the end of a season, which means a greater number of teams are actually looking at qualifying, whilst in the old fashion previous championships , possibly only about 2 or 3 are actually be going for it. Injuries can happen at anytime in a Play Offs or League format, it just depends on when they happen. Drop a Cog. I don't think your sarcasm of bigger gates does your opinions much good, as increased attendances do happen before, and during, Play offs, but didn't happen before when 2 or 3 teams were jostling for that single championship. Too many on here thing tomorrow is going to about yesterday. No it's not. That's why we have reducing attendances because too many long for yesterday with everything, and the world for the rest of us has moved on, and the old fails to attract these new more modern fans that could and should be attracted. DaC. I hope to hell the new BV venture is listening to modern sports fans, rather than it be strangled by the old. Final thought to TWK and others. I am a big SPEEDWAY fan, watching 4 riders racing around track 4 times in a race. Never once have I been to watch a meeting to watch the rules, or protest about who I am watching ride or why they could should not be riding. For people like TWK to keep banging on, and giving up watching speedway, because of TR's and/or Play Offs, I would then suggest that their difficulties are not speedway. ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ As I said before - a lot of people feel the same as me. Not everyone obviously. If you cannot see that all of this 'new stuff' isn't working - then you are fooling yourself. I am not saying I have all the answers - I DON'T. But to say that those who are leaving the Sport have a problem as opposed to the Sport itself having problems, then you must be deluded. The alternative is that you don't give a damn about how some of Speedway's Customers feel and don't want to admit that I (they) might just have a point. The reason I "bang on about it is because I care". Do you really think I am prepared to put myself in the firing line of, mainly you and orion, just for the fun of it. Edited September 23, 2014 by The White Knight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) On Monday night at the double header, when Poole had secured top spot, JG said to Tatum and viewers that Poole, now the LEAGUE LEADERS would get the first pick of oppositon in the play offs....... That didn't sound silly, or daft or even out of place.... The play offs attract the largest league crowds of the domestic season, keep the majority of teams "interested" right up until the last day 6/7 meetings as still in with an outside chance of getting there if they had a bad start to the season........ What really can be wrong with that? Edited September 24, 2014 by Shale Searcher 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Panda Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 One trophy for the team that finishes top of the league and one trophy for the play off winners............always should have been that.............. Simples really........ RP 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 As long as the Play Offs determine the champions and the league topping trophy is recognition of exactly that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Jasper Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) The team finishing top to win the league. Not as exciting though, take this year. Kings Lynn potentially had to beat Belle Vue, they failed Poole "won" the league, Sky were not there to cover the meeting which meant Poole potentially clinched the title. Edited September 24, 2014 by Sir Jasper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Panda Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 Not as exciting though, take this year. Kings Lynn potentially had to beat Belle Vue, they failed Poole "won" the league, Sky were not there to cover the meeting which meant Poole potentially clinched the title. Sky were there on Monday............. RP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 Sky were there on Monday............. RP The point being made is that Poole would have won the league at a meeting they were not at. What a damp squib. At least with the play-offs you're at the meeting where your team win the title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 The point being made is that Poole would have won the league at a meeting they were not at. What a damp squib. At least with the play-offs you're at the meeting where your team win the title. Yes. In the old way of League champs It would have been between 2 teams in the EL at the end, with the rest just filling in their fixtures. With the Play Offs, about 6 teams were going for the playoffs, including the favoured two teams. In the PL, two teams would have fought out the PL title the old way, but with the Playoffs, it was about 9 teams still in the hunt at the end to get into the PO's. As Shale Searcher also points out "what really can go wrong with that". Some on here bury their heads, and ignore facts and instances in the pursuit of what's gone in most sports these days. I just hope that the BV advisers outnumber the one on this thread, or I think I might have to get concerned on it's viability. Looking backwards, never gets you to where you want to go forward(just ask any sea captain). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) Much is being made of the fact that the team with most money will win the championship by virtue of being able to throw most at the best guest available. Is that really the way a season-long competition should be decided, by scrapping to procure the best rider available from another club's team for a couple of matches? At least during a season injuries, bad luck, poor refs usually even themselves out. Edited September 24, 2014 by Vincent Blackshadow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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