bigcatdiary Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 So everyone should just bury their heads in the sand then. Or if it has been passed for another reason, they should remove the rule that says he should be on another average. Don't have a rule that isn't going to be used, simple. By all means email Graham Reeve, the manager of the SCB he will likely refer you to this rule like he has with me in the past. 16.3.5 The BSPA MC monitors all proposed moves and has the sole responsibility to approve all (re-)Declared Team Line-Ups having been satisfied they are in the best interests of the sport. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 So everyone should just bury their heads in the sand then. Or if it has been passed for another reason, they should remove the rule that says he should be on another average. Don't have a rule that isn't going to be used, simple. Just explain all decisions made, simple. Such as "the Speedway Control Bureau confirmed the home side had tracked an illegal guest in Kozza Smith." - "The Court therefore ruled that the result of the Meeting between Kings Lynn and Peterborough reverts to the Meeting result declared on the night and that the Meeting Match points be re-instated." Why? That's speedway rules for you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 By all means email Graham Reeve, the manager of the SCB he will likely refer you to this rule like he has with me in the past. 16.3.5 The BSPA MC monitors all proposed moves and has the sole responsibility to approve all (re-)Declared Team Line-Ups having been satisfied they are in the best interests of the sport. Why not just sign Nicki Pedersen instead of Palm Toft then? He's equally as illegal a signing as Palm Toft is. I hope Somerset ride under protest tomorrow, it'll be the best thing that can happen - Peterborough start the meeting with Palm Toft and then have to lose his points after the meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebaker Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 baldyman, on 21 Mar 2015 - 12:41 PM, said:So everyone should just bury their heads in the sand then. Or if it has been passed for another reason, they should remove the rule that says he should be on another average. Don't have a rule that isn't going to be used, simple. Panthers team is 2.06 over the limit with Palm toft. Yet again the clowns at the BSPA that have sanctioned this, hold your heads in shame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 I posted this on the Peterborough forum this morning and thought I would share it on here. A few years ago before doubling up was introduced I remember something being passed at the BSPA Conference which was done to encourage riders to move up from the PL and try the EL , the BSPA had noticed their was a reluctance from riders to try the EL over lack of fixtures amongst other things They therefore passed some ruling that allowed riders to try the EL and if things didn't work out or they were not offered a contract the following year rather than be saddled with a higher EL average they allowed them to return to the PL on their last PL average. This I think is what they are doing here, anyone else remember this. It's proving difficult Dick. They seem to be stuck on the "rules set in stone" whilst not knowing the full facts vibe: So Panthers agreed legal side for tomorrow is, Readypower Panthers: Olly Allen, Lewis Blackbird, Ollie Greenwood, Robert Lambert, Simon Lambert, Ulrich Ostergaard, Michael Palm Toft. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 It's proving difficult Dick. They seem to be stuck on the "rules set in stone" whilst not knowing the full facts vibe: So Panthers agreed legal side for tomorrow is, Readypower Panthers: Olly Allen, Lewis Blackbird, Ollie Greenwood, Robert Lambert, Simon Lambert, Ulrich Ostergaard, Michael Palm Toft. Indeed it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble53 Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 They seem to be stuck on the "rules set in stone" whilst not knowing the full facts vibe[/b] That's not the case, everyone understands they're not set in stone, but that doesn't mean it's right or that you have to like it. What my objection is, is that having added a brand new rule to the regulations, which is apparently crystal clear in clarifying the situation, it is immediately disregarded under the hoary old excuse of being "In the interest of the Sport, when in fact it makes the sport look totally stupid. This isn't a dig at Peterborough, as they have just benefitted from a ruling that had been made in favour of another team. I would feel exactly the same if this type of decision had been made in favour of any team, including the one I support 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 So in summary, MPT would've been an illegal signing average wise, but the BSPA say it's ok? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 (edited) So in summary, MPT would've been an illegal signing average wise, but the BSPA say it's ok? If "he is permitted to return to the Premier League on his 2013 Premier League average of 4.92, which he achieved with Scunthorpe and Plymouth" is correct then surely the BSPA will say any other rider which meets the criteria would be ok as well (unless they close the loophole). Surely the BSPA have said that it's ok in this case because it does. Anything which doesn't match the criteria will be subject to the rule as quoted. Going round in circles now, it's approved so live with it, we have over many years. Edited March 22, 2015 by Crump99 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 They did close the loophole. The reversion reg was removed from this years published document. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 If "he is permitted to return to the Premier League on his 2013 Premier League average of 4.92, which he achieved with Scunthorpe and Plymouth" is correct then surely the BSPA will say any other rider which meets the criteria would be ok as well (unless they close the loophole). Surely the BSPA have said that it's ok in this case because it does. Anything which doesn't match the criteria will be subject to the rule as quoted. Going round in circles now, it's approved so live with it, we have over many years. Loophole has been closed 18.6.4 If a Rider has only an EL Established MA from the previous season, which must not exceed 6.00, then a conversion is necessary; the EL MA is multiplied by 1.4. But why have the BSPA said its ok when the above rule clearly states its wrong? I think that "In the interests of the sport" children should be allowed in free and adult prices should be £10. Bet if i tried this i would be turned away..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 (edited) So Jason Doyle can sign for a PL team? And Dak North on a 6 point average. Also, Kennett has a 6.5 EL average so doesn't fit at Lakeside. Edited March 22, 2015 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 (edited) So Jason Doyle can sign for a PL team? And Dak North on a 6 point average. Doyle's last PL average in 2013 was 10.25. So yes.... even though his 8.44 EL ave from 2014 says he couldn't. North's last PL average in 2013 was 7.00, but EL ave in 2014 of 6.57 would say no.... Edited March 22, 2015 by 2ndbendbeerhut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 They did close the loophole. The reversion reg was removed from this years published document. And when was that document published? Loophole has been closed 18.6.4 If a Rider has only an EL Established MA from the previous season, which must not exceed 6.00, then a conversion is necessary; the EL MA is multiplied by 1.4. But why have the BSPA said its ok when the above rule clearly states its wrong? I think that "In the interests of the sport" children should be allowed in free and adult prices should be £10. Bet if i tried this i would be turned away..... You missed off 18.6.5 though which states that all BSPA guidelines are open to interpretation, depending on who's asking and what day of the week it is. Also 18.6.5.1 The guidelines should not be taken too literally, we leave that to the boys and girls of the BSF. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 (edited) Doyle's last PL average in 2013 was 10.25. So yes.... even though his 8.44 EL ave from 2014 says he couldn't. North's last PL average in 2013 was 7.00, but EL ave in 2014 of 6.57 would say no.... Doyles last PL average was 9.79 and Norths was 6.55 And what have EL averages got to do with it. This new, so new it's newer than the rulebook, rule says that last season EL average is irrelevant. Edited March 22, 2015 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 Thats what i was trying to point out, even though their EL averages would rule them out riding in the PL, they would be allowed to as they both have a PL ave like Palm Toft from the previous year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukas Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 So what 9 point riders are available to replace Allen now it looks like he's out for the season?..I can't think of any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hans fan Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 So what 9 point riders are available to replace Allen now it looks like he's out for the season?..I can't think of any. the only thing I can see is we're in 5hit street Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 Palm Toft's average is definitely wrong, it's far too high going on last nights performance. Gutted for Olly, & there doesn't seem to be many options to replace him. What would Dakotas average be ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukas Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 What about a double change with mat tressariu and Jason garrity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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