peterborough daz Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 (edited) At the rate they are going Kenneth Bjerre and Hans Andersen will be able to double up in the PL next season My preference is for the former and a new owner (if Frost and Mahoney really have given up on finishing what they started) who has shedloads & can similarly sound blase and say: "Without wishing to sound blasé, it is not big bucks to us" and can return our status with regular weekday racing - Well we all need a dream Rathbone must be kept on as a promoter imo doing a great job Edited August 16, 2015 by dazpanther 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 At the rate they are going Kenneth Bjerre and Hans Andersen will be able to double up in the PL next season Rathbone must be kept on as a promoter imo doing a great job As a manager for RF and using his resources yes even KB would be your number 1 but if he bought it , it would be with a budget team for sure , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PE7Panther Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 (edited) Well done for acknowledging that averages are the yardstick to use, as points scored is irrelevant if you have had more opportunities and easier rides! No, that's NOT what I was saying at all. Firstly, I never said anything about "easier" rides; where do you get that from? Secondly, I did not acknowledge that averages are the yardstick to use; I was saying the very opposite in the context of whether Simon Lambert is in the 'top 3' for Panthers this season. Look, this little argument started when Lukas asserted that Simon Lambert is one of our 'top 3 riders' and you responded that it's just his opinion, not a "fact", clearly implying that Simon isn't one of our top 3. Maybe you should explain why you made that snidey response to Lukas in the first place. After all, you could post "that's opinion not fact" to a high proportion of posts on this forum. Lukas was making the point that when Simon L is out he's badly missed - which he definitely is, irrespective of whether he's in our 'top 3' and by whichever yardstick is used. The only yardstick that puts Robert Lambert ahead of Simon is the averages, but that's not much use to Panthers when he goes missing so often. Yes, I cannot, and do not, speak for every single Panthers fan - that's stating the bleedin' obvious! - but the posts on here tend to support my view that most are very disappointed with Robert L this season despite his 8+ average that you set such great store on. I agree that it's useful and it is, after all, the stat that dictates team-building and so on, but it's not the be-all and end-all. In fact its importance is greatly diminished if that rider keeps letting you down. Last winter quote possibly could be the makings on the club. We should not be a door may (sic) for a 17 albeit talented rider I agree. On the one hand, we all know and accept that a PL club like Panthers can't expect to keep a young talent like Robert Lambert for long, the same as happened with Tai W and others before him. But what sticks in the craw is, to use your phrase, how Panthers have been used like a doormat this season. I'd prefer to have a team full of riders who might be behind RL on talent but who are fully committed to Panthers. Edited August 16, 2015 by PE7Panther 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoolPanther Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 (edited) I'd prefer to have a team full of riders who might be behind RL on talent but who are fully committed to Panthers. So would a lot of us! How easy it must for certain people to put us down for wanting what is best for our team,when it is not their team being treated with what appears to be disdain by a rider. I realise injuries happen it is the nature of the game,I respect 100% what the riders risk every time they go out on track,I think our promotion have done a brilliant job this year, facing injury after injury and still pulling through...but...as a paying fan,I am entitled to an opinion,seven Simon Lamberts or seven Robert Lamberts..I know which I and most of my friends would pick! I just hope Simon is back with us next year. Edited August 16, 2015 by CoolPanther Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterborough daz Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 Simon is on a very awkward average for next season imo he may find himself at number 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 Simon is on a very awkward average for next season imo he may find himself at number 2 It depends on how the team is put together, but he would be one of the first to get my vote, I have been very impressed with Simon this year, his attitude, dedication to the team and commitment is spot on. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterborough daz Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 (edited) It depends on how the team is put together, but he would be one of the first to get my vote, I have been very impressed with Simon this year, his attitude, dedication to the team and commitment is spot on. Agree. We need to go with 3 proper heat leaders of which one will be ostergaard, Simon Lambert and Konopka then fill in the gaps imo As a manager for RF and using his resources yes even KB would be your number 1 but if he bought it , it would be with a budget team for sure , Can't see Rick Frost signing the cheques again. Most probably another lease to GR Edited August 16, 2015 by dazpanther Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 (edited) At the rate they are going Kenneth Bjerre and Hans Andersen will be able to double up in the PL next season Rathbone must be kept on as a promoter imo doing a great job I'd have Rathbone & Bratley as caretakers for another season when hopefully the unfortunate 2 year venture to Dorset has ended and the reinvigorated Frost and Mahoney (as Ford said they should be) come back with the right structure already in place at the EoES this time. What will be left of British Speedway after another year though is anyone's guess? Edited August 16, 2015 by Crump99 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northyorksbear Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 No, that's NOT what I was saying at all. Dear me your squealing is getting louder and louder, I’m not sure you even know what you are saying! Firstly, I never said anything about "easier" rides; where do you get that from? - No you didn’t, that was my response to your comment of scoring more points, at the risk of stating the bleedin’ obvious, riders in the reserve berths can take more rides, ride against weaker riders more often and therefore have the opportunity to score more points! Secondly, I did not acknowledge that averages are the yardstick to use; I was saying the very opposite in the context of whether Simon Lambert is in the 'top 3' for Panthers this season. So why use the comment about why Robert L’s average shouldn’t be used as a yardstick? Look, this little argument started when Lukas asserted that Simon Lambert is one of our 'top 3 riders' and you responded that it's just his opinion, not a "fact", clearly implying that Simon isn't one of our top 3. Maybe you should explain why you made that snidey response to Lukas in the first place. After all, you could post "that's opinion not fact" to a high proportion of posts on this forum. – No need to explain anything, as previously stated it was not intended to be snidey or sarcastic in any way, and it was simply acknowledging the posters viewpoint. Yes it was implying Simon isn’t in your top 3 – because he isn’t – look at BSPA site, look at Panthers site they list your riders in ranking order he is at number 6 (5 if you use real averages not assessed)- just answer who can take an r/r ride instead of him? Oh NOBODY because he isn’t in top 5 riders! If you or anyone else feel he is one of your top 3 valuable riders then fine I fully respect that opinion! Maybe you should explain why you decided to use your bully boy responses in a debate that had nothing to do with you? Lukas was making the point that when Simon L is out he's badly missed how do you know what the point being made was? - which he definitely is, irrespective of whether he's in our 'top 3' – so you do agree he isn’t? and by whichever yardstick is used. The only yardstick that puts Robert Lambert ahead of Simon is the averages, but that's not much use to Panthers when he goes missing so often. Yes, I cannot, and do not, speak for every single Panthers fan – who said you did? You do feel empowered to quote what most Panthers fans think - that's stating the bleedin' obvious! - but the posts on here tend to support my view that most are very disappointed with Robert L this season despite his 8+ average that you set such great store on. I agree that it's it's useful and it is, after all, the stat that dictates team-building and so on, but it's not the be-all and end-all. In fact its importance is greatly diminished if that rider keeps letting you down. – Its importance is actually increased as it allows you a better guest replacement. This argument is now getting tiresome, apologies to other fans for the full half hour version, so I’m happy to accept an apology and we can move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers89 Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 Next season, Ully, Simon and Rafa seem to be nailed on IMO, and Grondal wouldnt mind as be on a proper average aswell. 1. Danny King 9.49 2. S.Lambert 5.40 3. Rosen 6.00 4. Grondal 5.89 5. Ully 8.00 6. Konokpra 3.00 7. Ellis 4.67 42.45 I'd be happy enough with that side, King to lead the Panthers, have a proper number 1, Simon deserves a crack, Rosen was good in the fours, and on a decent average IMO and 2 danes could help him. Ellis at reserve would be good, and him and Lambert would be swapping places for the season. But lets go into next season as title winners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterborough daz Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 (edited) Number 1 and 3rd heat leader will be key. King Lambert Barker Grondal/Hansen Ostergaard Konopka Bowen Edited August 16, 2015 by dazpanther Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 Dear me your squealing is getting louder and louder, I’m not sure you even know what you are saying! so I’m happy to accept an apology and we can move on. Ding ding, round 2 in that case 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 (edited) Could I interest you in a Heeps or a tungate for next season? Edited August 16, 2015 by baldyman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterborough daz Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 Could I interest you in a Heeps or a tungate for next season? Both decent around the showground tbf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 Tungate - barge touch a with pole wouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 Both decent around the showground tbf.That's why I mentioned it. Heeps is far better than he shows at foxhall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 Heeps is occasionally good at Armadale too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterborough daz Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 Heeps better on the bigger tracks imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers89 Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 Heeps on a 6.00 average would be worth thinking about, better than MPT and Lewis around our place. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukas Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 No offence but shouldn't we be talking about this season?...we could still actualy win something! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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