Crump99 Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 tuesdays race night and riding PL was the main factor and that's a fact trev.. It's a pity they cannot ring fence the Speedway track and grandstand to make it available at weekends when other stuff is going on at the EOES - allowing us to ride Fridays or Sunday if PL and Thursday if EL... Without knowing what the EoES are like to work with it's hard to comment but these days we are clearly just another booking instead of the prime and looked after user we once were. Prior to Mercer arriving and a shrinking showground Panthers used to run quite happily alongside the show, expo steam, faith, motorhome etc so not sure what the issues are these days apart from limited access routes and massively reduced parking? Would the 2014 EL have saved the situation? I think not! They need to turn the clock back 10 years to allow better quality from 1-7. Hardly watched Sky this year, it's been that bad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudflaps Posted October 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 Without knowing what the EoES are like to work with it's hard to comment but these days we are clearly just another booking instead of the prime and looked after user we once were. Prior to Mercer arriving and a shrinking showground Panthers used to run quite happily alongside the show, expo steam, faith, motorhome etc so not sure what the issues are these days apart from limited access routes and massively reduced parking? Would the 2014 EL have saved the situation? I think not! They need to turn the clock back 10 years to allow better quality from 1-7. Hardly watched Sky this year, it's been that bad. Primarily Health and Safety I reckon mate.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 Primarily Health and Safety I reckon mate.... That's the easy get out these days isn't it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 With the season ticket money, sponsorship, gate receipts & Ged Rathbone's donation, I find it hard to believe that Horton still lost £60k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudflaps Posted October 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 With the season ticket money, sponsorship, gate receipts & Ged Rathbone's donation, I find it hard to believe that Horton still lost £60k. yeah and charging £2.50 for a substandard programme...! I wonder if the riders are up to date with their wages? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 Programme's no worse value that Rye's £2 for 16 pages one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Blue Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 yeah and charging £2.50 for a substandard programme...! I wonder if the riders are up to date with their wages? I guess that they will be after Rick Frost has covered everything ......... does make you wonder about the Coventry riders as well???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudflaps Posted October 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 Programme's no worse value that Rye's £2 for 16 pages one. I have to agree its actually a lot better that Uncle Lens attempt - but saying that the Rye House one is the worst programme in the league! I guess that they will be after Rick Frost has covered everything ......... does make you wonder about the Coventry riders as well???? crikey is that how it works? no wonder Frosty is so hacked off. I'd imagine that the two businesses are unconnected and that Coventry is currently financially viable and possibly profitable - riding on a Friday and making the Play off final must help massively ... and also by using the Peterborough spare air fence panels as spares for the Coventry one..! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 My brother who is a Dentist said he isn't interested in running the club. So he pulls teeth and you pull legs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Blue Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 I have to agree its actually a lot better that Uncle Lens attempt - but saying that the Rye House one is the worst programme in the league! crikey is that how it works? no wonder Frosty is so hacked off. I'd imagine that the two businesses are unconnected and that Coventry is currently financially viable and possibly profitable - riding on a Friday and making the Play off final must help massively ... and also by using the Peterborough spare air fence panels as spares for the Coventry one..! Sorry, didnt mean he covers those riders as well, just wondering about payment .. you cant be that bad at one and that good at another Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdjfan Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 Made me pig sick watching Mick Horton so interested in Coventrys performance on Monday evening, only interested when the teams winning eh Mick!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 He knew that though before he took over once again after having the same issues before at Peterborough. This time he had things as he wanted with supposedly a return to the sustainable Premier League that some of the fans wanted. However, according to attendance figures quoted last week by Frost and Horton we seem to have lost 700 fans (which at one point, if my memory serves me right, was quoted as enough to make it break even) on average. For those that didn't attend in 2014, I can say that Tuesday wasn't the main factor if you want to come back with that old chestnut! I attended 2 meetings this season at Pboro that's the least amount of times I've attended Pboro in 35 years main reasons was the drop from the EL and Tuesday night speedway had the Panthers stayed in the EL whatever night they raced I would have attended more than 2 meetings . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 Because of the shocking state of the EL the panthers were probably better off in the PL, but they really needed a Friday or weekend race day to stand any chance of making it pay. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 tuesdays race night and riding PL was the main factor and that's a fact trev.. It's a pity they cannot ring fence the Speedway track and grandstand to make it available at weekends when other stuff is going on at the EOES - allowing us to ride Fridays or Sunday if PL and Thursday if EL... It seems from these posts that unless that all the planets align (right race night, right league, right team , right opposition, right weather) that people are not going to watch speedway at Peterborough. In the real world no club has the perfect situation but if they want speedway to continue that much they have to get on with it ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 (edited) It seems from these posts that unless that all the planets align (right race night, right league, right team , right opposition, right weather) that people are not going to watch speedway at Peterborough. In the real world no club has the perfect situation but if they want speedway to continue that much they have to get on with it ! You've got to be a bit brighter than the mate, our exiting leader was using that 10 years ago:"PETERBOROUGH Panthers supremo Mick Horton has issued a harsh message to the club's fans - support us or lose us." You missed off right presentation and right overall product (although league, team, opposition covers most of it I suppose). Edited October 7, 2014 by Crump99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 You've got to be a bit brighter than the mate, our exiting leader was using that 10 years ago:"PETERBOROUGH Panthers supremo Mick Horton has issued a harsh message to the club's fans - support us or lose us." You missed off right presentation and right overall product (although league, team, opposition covers most of it I suppose). You should think yourself lucky you are watching speedway at the best track in Britain ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 (edited) You should think yourself lucky you are watching speedway at the best track in Britain ! I do, but as you can see, it's more complicated than just because it's there, which isn't a great argument for the majority, even it it is for some! Many of the problems stem from the time of that piece, and whilst successive promotions have tried to run with difficulty at the EoES (and we thank them for their efforts and financial support), our lords and masters from Rugby have continued to preside over a worsening product. Speedway needed to go the other way. I know that costs, but could they not, for instance, have used the Sky money and exposure better as well as the commercial opportunities that should have brought? 2010 was a definining moment. Speedway either moved forward or turned into the EL 2014. We all know which whey they chose and it's no surprise that's it's not the Skysports EL anymore and us lucky Panthers fans are facing our annual dose of the abyss from the nowhere league (bit harsh but after over a decade in a decent EL then that's what it's like for some) this time! MH did what he does in that first stint, CH did ok until he overstretched himself, RF was the opportunity which didn't happen for numerous reasons, and we're back with MH doing what he does at Peterborough although the fact that we're still here discussing things is somewhat down to him to be fair! Now it's up to RF again, shame he bailed out just when it was working, but looking at the EL it's not hard to understand the rapid u-turn this time last year. So it's new owners, Rick & Julie or sweet FA; what's your money on? Edited October 8, 2014 by Crump99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudflaps Posted October 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 Rick & Julie or sweet FA; what's your money on? Probably sweet!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 Probably sweet!! Don't think that they want that on their cv tbh. The effort and expense will not be recognised, only the end result! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 I can't see another season of PL working at the showground, regardless of who the promoters are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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