Leicester Lions 2015

[weatherwatcher]

Surely what you have written is a gross defamation of character.......potentially libellous in my opinion.

 

 

This is the probably the most vile post I have ever read on this forum! You're a bloody disgrace.......!!!

I have to agree. The speedway supporters club, do a damn good job, Keep it up come rain or come shine they are always there with a big smile and a welcome. Without them the costs of running the stadium would be far higher that what they are now.

What they have done for a truely great man for the sport of speedway in Leicester Is in my opinion, with the money raised for the plaque on the stand in his memory, one of the greatest things ever done at BP to honouir a remarkable man. Who worked tirelessly to bring speedway back to Leicester again.

[steven101]

Must say that Jason Doyle, was riding really well at Kings Lynne. He has really come on these last couple of years, from a good PL rider to what he is now a world class act.

Completely agree thought he was always going to be like cookie a great pl rider but hes proved me wrong and has come on leaps and bounds, cook hasnt though.

[mdmc82]

Doyle looked very fast in the SWC and was one of the best riders of the night.

 

With the 28 day facility due to end for Bridger, has there been any word on who will replace him?

[weatherwatcher]

No it is all quite on the Western Front. We may as well be there because they had more press releses in WW2 than we ever get on the Lions website.

Edited June 11, 2015 by weatherwatcher

[TMW]

Doyle looked very fast in the SWC and was one of the best riders of the night.

 

With the 28 day facility due to end for Bridger, has there been any word on who will replace him?

I read somewhere the facility was 14 days. Fanmale has been very quiet so we need to assume no news on the new rider front

Edited June 11, 2015 by TMW

[stevethelion]

I read somewhere the facility was 14 days. Fanmale has been very quiet so we need to assume no news on the new rider front

Yes, your right, when DH was on radio Leicester, he said Lions had a 14 day facility for Bridger, so that as now gone.

[lionking]

Leicester will use a 6 point PL rider till a suitable & affordable replacement can be found. They have approached a few riders but they have demanded more then the budget allows so they have been forced to look elsewhere.

[weatherwatcher]

I just hope that from looking at the website today, they they are not going to sign Foxy the Leicster football team maskot.

As I have said before, the Lions are trying to make it in the EL on a PL budget, sorry but it just doesn't work, you are either comited to the EL or stay in the PL where you can afford the wages you want to pay out..

They are never going to be better than last placed team, when they haven't got the finances to get the right riders to come to the club.

[Big Al]

I just hope that from looking at the website today, they they are not going to sign Foxy the Leicster football team maskot.

As I have said before, the Lions are trying to make it in the EL on a PL budget, sorry but it just doesn't work, you are either comited to the EL or stay in the PL where you can afford the wages you want to pay out..

They are never going to be better than last placed team, when they haven't got the finances to get the right riders to come to the club.

....But I'm sure that David Hemsley was quoted as saying, not very long ago (end of last season?), that Leicester is in the "upper quartile" of clubs when it comes to finances?

So have things gone seriously downhill for Leicester since then, or is this all basically just an indictment of the overall predicament of the Elite League not just Leicester in struggling to attract riders?

Or is the money at Leicester being directed on to other things rather than riders? How much of a financial blow has the loss of Rapid been?

(a lot of questions there!)

[weatherwatcher]

I what Lionking said is right, then they have already approached a number of riders, but they all demanded more than the budjet allowed. So what budjet are they running at, I still say they are trying to bring in top riders at PL rider wages. I think it was a huge loss to the Lions when rapid went bust and sold out. A huge loss of income, at a time when they really needed it. Another question is, will the Lions still be in the EL next year or will they drop down to PL again, I for one would be only to happy to see them carry on even it it meant going down the lowly road to NL at least we would still have speedway at BP. Maybe not at the same class as now, but if you enjoy your speedway, you would gladly follow the Lions in whatever league the trawl thier wares.

Not sure if DH could about face and drop back down now, without him looking to be a faliure.

[lionking]

From info i was fed is that the deal is better then top PL deal but not massively plus there is a loyalty bonus if they complete all fixtures .

 

They had a sponsor to help fund the Sayfutdinov deal but they were only willing to help if it was Sayfutdinov who signed.

 

Buzz has turned down 3 approaches from Norrie to come back while i did hear Nicolai Klindt was interested in a return until his bad injury.

 

Keep with us we will get it right

 

I what Lionking said is right, then they have already approached a number of riders, but they all demanded more than the budjet allowed. So what budjet are they running at, I still say they are trying to bring in top riders at PL rider wages. I think it was a huge loss to the Lions when rapid went bust and sold out. A huge loss of income, at a time when they really needed it. Another question is, will the Lions still be in the EL next year or will they drop down to PL again, I for one would be only to happy to see them carry on even it it meant going down the lowly road to NL at least we would still have speedway at BP. Maybe not at the same class as now, but if you enjoy your speedway, you would gladly follow the Lions in whatever league the trawl thier wares.

Not sure if DH could about face and drop back down now, without him looking to be a faliure.

[Skodaman]

I read somewhere the facility was 14 days. Fanmale has been very quiet so we need to assume no news on the new rider front

I dont know any more than you do. I dont have contacts, although I do talk to DH an match nights. Surely, no news is exactly that and you will obviously get the news when there is news.

As I have said before, the Lions are trying to make it in the EL on a PL budget,

How do you know this?

[weatherwatcher]

You only have to look at the riders they sign, we have Jason Doyle who is outstanding, but the rest of the team, are not up to the standards of the other EL teams, OK the young Pole has come good, bad Look with Walasec who has been out for most of the year through injury, We lose 2 riders and who do they sign a PL aussie and a rider who only rode once, sorry but my faith in who they chose to fill in for the missing riders is very fearful, that we will be getting riders that, they only seem to be able to pay for within the budjet,. I don't want to see the Lions go under with huge debts. But it would be far better to go back down to the PL if they haven't got the funds in place to bring the top riders to BP. You will never be any better than bottom place in the league, unless you can field a team that up to the standard of all the other EL teams, and I am afraid that at the moment, the Lions are nowhere near that quility.

[Big Al]

You only have to look at the riders they sign, we have Jason Doyle who is outstanding, but the rest of the team, are not up to the standards of the other EL teams, OK the young Pole has come good, bad Look with Walasec who has been out for most of the year through injury, We lose 2 riders and who do they sign a PL aussie and a rider who only rode once, sorry but my faith in who they chose to fill in for the missing riders is very fearful, that we will be getting riders that, they only seem to be able to pay for within the budjet,. I don't want to see the Lions go under with huge debts. But it would be far better to go back down to the PL if they haven't got the funds in place to bring the top riders to BP. You will never be any better than bottom place in the league, unless you can field a team that up to the standard of all the other EL teams, and I am afraid that at the moment, the Lions are nowhere near that quility.[/riders

 

I think you need to take off your blinkers and look at the Elite League overall as well as at Leicester. For a start, its very dependent on borrowing riders from the PL - this is nothing new and in many ways they can be better than trying to rely on riders who can't be relied on to do a full season, as Leicester has found out.

I don't agree that there's that huge a gap in quality between Lions and the rest of the EL but one of the big problems is that they joined the EL without any substantial rider asset base - and as long as that daft system exists, Leicester will be up against the odds unless there's money to buy rider assets ah

[TMW]

I dont know any more than you do. I dont have contacts, although I do talk to DH an match nights. Surely, no news is exactly that and you will obviously get the news when there is news.

Maybe I am getting you mixed up with someone else. There are so many 'know it all's on here. It's hard to keep track

 

My apologies if I have !!

From info i was fed is that the deal is better then top PL deal but not massively plus there is a loyalty bonus if they complete all fixtures .

 

They had a sponsor to help fund the Sayfutdinov deal but they were only willing to help if it was Sayfutdinov who signed.

 

Buzz has turned down 3 approaches from Norrie to come back while i did hear Nicolai Klindt was interested in a return until his bad injury.

 

Keep with us we will get it right

Having seen him last night you can see why Buzz doesn't need the UK which, apparently he did last year.

 

and it does seem unless you have a relationship with riders they just use the UK for a training ground.

 

If there is no one suitable now. Will there be ?

 

Should we throw caution to the wind and focus on building for next year maybe move Wozniak to Ht leader and take on a 2nd string who may improve and commit next year?

 

Also the FTRD has lost it's way a bit. It is now focusing again on match winning reserves which isn't what it was designed to do. The likes of kerr, blackbird, Garrity, Newman etc need to be released in to the main body as it is criminal that the likes of Morley, Clegg, Stokes, Perry, D Greenwood don't have FT rides

Edited June 12, 2015 by TMW

[weatherwatcher]

TMW. I agree with what you have said about Wozniak, lets hope that he wants to ride here again next year and that the Poles will let him carry on riding in the UK for another few years, he was a great risk and one that paid off. The riders that you named in the FTRD, should have been moved up to a full team place this season, it was a farce that they had to stay at reserve after they proved their-selves last year. The teams that have these strong reserves are now the ones at the top of the league, with these riders at times being the ones who are winning meetings for them with points of 15 regularly.

The whole system needs changing, next season, with riders in the reserve berth, being the ones that need bringing on, not the ones who are doing far better in a meeting than your main string riders.

It is now time that the whole structure of the EL was looked at long and hard. Hopefully if they really do this we will see a league that live up to its name, not the league we have now, which is far from EL.

Riders from Europe, have also got to be looked at, they need to stop them from coming over here and using British speedway as a free meal ticket until their own leagues start in Europe. They either need to give full commitment for the whole season or not bother.

[Big Al]

TMW. I agree with what you have said about Wozniak, lets hope that he wants to ride here again next year and that the Poles will let him carry on riding in the UK for another few years, he was a great risk and one that paid off. The riders that you named in the FTRD, should have been moved up to a full team place this season, it was a farce that they had to stay at reserve after they proved their-selves last year. The teams that have these strong reserves are now the ones at the top of the league, with these riders at times being the ones who are winning meetings for them with points of 15 regularly.

The whole system needs changing, next season, with riders in the reserve berth, being the ones that need bringing on, not the ones who are doing far better in a meeting than your main string riders.

It is now time that the whole structure of the EL was looked at long and hard. Hopefully if they really do this we will see a league that live up to its name, not the league we have now, which is far from EL.

Riders from Europe, have also got to be looked at, they need to stop them from coming over here and using British speedway as a free meal ticket until their own leagues start in Europe. They either need to give full commitment for the whole season or not bother.

Yes, and its only been made worse by the clamping down on Aussies with the work permits. Ok there have been quite a few duffers but at least they base themselves in the UK.

And maybe the Elite League, if it survives, needs to look at going to 6-man teams with the FTDR at no.6 and no.5's having to be FTDR "graduates",with a race formula that gives the no.5's a tougher programme than the no.6's?

[Gemini]

Reduce teams to 6 riders in the E.L. and we'd soon be down to 5 riders and R/R which would be worse than it is now. Agree about the Aussies though and I'm sure speedibee does as well.

Edited June 13, 2015 by Gemini

[weatherwatcher]

How things are going in the Elite league, they will be finding it hard to put a proper 3 man Elite team together. Take the 2 reserves out of the game and we are left with the 5 riders of the main team, who most of the time are scoring less points than the reseves if a team have 2 solid ones in place. It is getting rather stuppid when a team have to relay on their reserves to win meetings for them.

The main 5 riders in the team are now made up of, a bunch of overseas riders who are having their first season over here, or ex world class riders that are coming to the end of their days, one good rider per team and the rest is made up of PL riders. And this is supposidly the Elite of British speedway, don't think so sme how.

Put the best of the bunch of the reserves in the main team next season, there are 6 or posibbly 7 riders that should make the grade, there may even be enough of them to go to 1 club each, what they did last season should have given them a main team place this year, but no the promoters just dither about and hold back these riders, from getting the lessons they need to be part of a elite group of young class British riders, hold them back any longer and the talent that we have now wil be lost.

All because the promoters would rather have an worn out rider or a un tried overseas rider, than give these young Brits the place that they have earned.

On another bad note, it looks like the Lions could be withou another rider for the next meeting, with Simon Lambert, crashing out at Perter borough, suffing concusion and bad bruising, it said on the SCB site he could be out for 7 days, can things get any worse this year for the Lions.

[Gemini]

 

 

........weatherwatcher......On another bad note, it looks like the Lions could be withou another rider for the next meeting, with Simon Lambert, crashing out at Perter borough, suffing concusion and bad bruising,

 

It actually happened at Newcastle not Peterborough but best wishes for a speedy recovery to Simon. I'm wondering what team Leicester will have at Coventry on Friday.