weatherwatcher Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 This is the best thing that British speedway has done this year that is to show these EU riders that they can't come over here and use us when and when they want to ride for us. If they miss mettings here then ride abroad the following days they should be banned from riding over here all together. It was about time the promoter took the stand and showed them where to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 The issue is not the sacking of the rider, but to do it with only one match to go. was the point I was trying to make. Its not that long ago when Mads was their saviour and top scoring most matches.....I'm thought sacking was the last option not the first... So if ran a shop and someone stole out of the till the day before they left you would let it go ? He took the total piss out of the lions so they quite righty sacked him . It cracks me up people moaning all the time about taking the mickey out of uk clubs but the moment they take action people are up in arms about it . Ha ha good point! But in all seriousness, Mads is not that kind of rider. I've had the pleasure of watching teams with him in for a few seasons now and he is not the sort of guy who goes missing meetings at the drop of a hat. That's not Mads. There is a right way to handle these things, and gobbing off on the microphone after you've been beaten at home just to make one person a scapegoat is not the right way IMO. But he is thou in a 4 day period he rode in Poland Sweden and Denmark but somehow missed his uk match ..the facts are quite clear he put the lions last 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Made was messing Leicester about. Probably worried about getting drenched in Leicester like your girlfriend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Brown Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Ha ha good point! But in all seriousness, Mads is not that kind of rider. I've had the pleasure of watching teams with him in for a few seasons now and he is not the sort of guy who goes missing meetings at the drop of a hat. That's not Mads. There is a right way to handle these things, and gobbing off on the microphone after you've been beaten at home just to make one person a scapegoat is not the right way IMO. On one hand I agree with you, where the moral high ground is lost is that so many riders are allegedly not being paid on time and therefore it works both ways. If promoters carry out there part of the bargain and pay ALL their riders ALL they are due on time and in full then they of course have the right to hold the moral high ground If they do not then I am sorry but they deserve to be messed about In this case I have no idea and am not suggesting there is an issue but the point stands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 What surprises me (actually it doesn't) is that other team's fans think these sacked riders should still guest for them. Unbelievable! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 What surprises me (actually it doesn't) is that other team's fans think these sacked riders should still guest for them. Unbelievable! Because the sacked rider is still in their 1-7. As proved tonight by the fact they dont have a guest for him but a sub-6 point PL rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Because the sacked rider is still in their 1-7. As proved tonight by the fact they dont have a guest for him but a sub-6 point PL rider. So - sacked because of a lack of loyalty to British speedway and rewarded with guest bookings?? No wonder this sport is a joke with all the self interest ! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 That's a consequence of the Play Off system unfortunately.....its come down to a shoot out over four legs so teams are going to want the strongest guests whoever they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 So if ran a shop and someone stole out of the till the day before they left you would let it go ? He took the total piss out of the lions so they quite righty sacked him . It cracks me up people moaning all the time about taking the mickey out of uk clubs but the moment they take action people are up in arms about it . But he is thou in a 4 day period he rode in Poland Sweden and Denmark but somehow missed his uk match ..the facts are quite clear he put the lions last A typical post one comes to expect from you. Always the negative guilty angle...... How many times has Mads let the Lions down this year, How many times have the Lions let Mads down. Your example about your Shop has nothing to do with it. You, like me, know nothing of the situation, only the fact he has been sacked with one match to go. No doubt this has harmed Leicester far more than it has Mads and with a bit more thought about the whole situation, probably this could have been sorted before mouthing off. to all and sundry . If you want to crucify Mads for riding abroad, there are others far worse than him...... Lets ban the lot of them....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 (edited) A typical post one comes to expect from you. Always the negative guilty angle...... How many times has Mads let the Lions down this year, How many times have the Lions let Mads down. Your example about your Shop has nothing to do with it. You, like me, know nothing of the situation, only the fact he has been sacked with one match to go. No doubt this has harmed Leicester far more than it has Mads and with a bit more thought about the whole situation, probably this could have been sorted before mouthing off. to all and sundry . If you want to crucify Mads for riding abroad, there are others far worse than him...... Lets ban the lot of them....... And your posts about the play offs are positive are they ...pot, kettle, black . you been crying like a 2 year old for the last 2 weeks about them The facts as they stand is that .Mads was sacked as he choose to ride all over Europe rather than for the lions 'Are you saying that he never has mads Said that's not the case If other riders do the same and there clubs turn a blind eye then that's there look out that does not make Lions wrong or Mads right does it ? Edited September 17, 2014 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Only speedway fans... Complain about riders taking the piss, picking and choosing meetings and clubs let them get away with it. Clubs take a stand... complain again its not right. I've got a feeling the ones complaining about the sacking have an ulterior motive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 And your posts about the play offs are positive are they ...pot, kettle, black . you been crying like a 2 year old for the last 2 weeks about them The facts as they stand is that .Mads was sacked as he choose to ride all over Europe rather than for the lions 'Are you saying that he never has mads Said that's not the case If other riders do the same and there clubs turn a blind eye then that's there look out that does not make Lions wrong or Mads right does it ? Nah, you got me wrong, I'm probably the most positive man you've ever meet. I always try to give the benefit of doubt, but speak as I find. To you, everything is black and white. As for the Mads thing, My argument was, the timing made it a rubbish decision, that nobody benefitted from it. Not Leicester, The promoter, The fans, least of all The sport. With only one match to go this could have been sorted in house once the season had finished, where both parties could have come to an agreement, Mouthing off over the mic and rubbish written over the media, is not the way to project an professional image. As for the pot kettle black, and crying for 2 weeks about the POKC, again you are so wrong. I have an opinion that differs from you. But from the stuff you have written, I am well pleased about that. In my world there are usually two sides to an argument, not necessary right and wrong, just different, people see issues from other directions and put priority another way, Fine. No problems with that either. As been said, the league rules say the season will conclude with a play-off to find the League Champions. Just because it says so in the Rules it doesn't make it right. You are putting forward an arguments trying to justify it, but quite obviously are not looking at it from both sides, purely because you like those PO's I have tried to be logical and see what advantage/ disadvantages in both sides, and believe going with the POKC is a backward step and all it does is devalue the bread of league racing. Any system that will allows a team, some 15 pts adrift, to be in with a chance of being Elite League Champions has to be questioned. Surely this can't be right....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Nah, you got me wrong, I'm probably the most positive man you've ever meet. I always try to give the benefit of doubt, but speak as I find. To you, everything is black and white. As for the Mads thing, My argument was, the timing made it a rubbish decision, that nobody benefitted from it. Not Leicester, The promoter, The fans, least of all The sport. With only one match to go this could have been sorted in house once the season had finished, where both parties could have come to an agreement, Mouthing off over the mic and rubbish written over the media, is not the way to project an professional image. As for the pot kettle black, and crying for 2 weeks about the POKC, again you are so wrong. I have an opinion that differs from you. But from the stuff you have written, I am well pleased about that. In my world there are usually two sides to an argument, not necessary right and wrong, just different, people see issues from other directions and put priority another way, Fine. No problems with that either. As been said, the league rules say the season will conclude with a play-off to find the League Champions. Just because it says so in the Rules it doesn't make it right. You are putting forward an arguments trying to justify it, but quite obviously are not looking at it from both sides, purely because you like those PO's I have tried to be logical and see what advantage/ disadvantages in both sides, and believe going with the POKC is a backward step and all it does is devalue the bread of league racing. Any system that will allows a team, some 15 pts adrift, to be in with a chance of being Elite League Champions has to be questioned. Surely this can't be right....... I see I argue for the play offs because I like them ..Don't tell me you argue against them because you don't like them Dr Watson awaits you Sherlock . Any system that keeps the season alive and keeps clubs afloat is right . As said intill you factor in the money side of the sport then you will never understand why we have to have play offs . Your views are always based on what suits kings lynn ...No doubt your backing of Mads is because he is KL rider rather that any think based on fact . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 I see I argue for the play offs because I like them ..Don't tell me you argue against them because you don't like them Dr Watson awaits you Sherlock . Any system that keeps the season alive and keeps clubs afloat is right . As said intill you factor in the money side of the sport then you will never understand why we have to have play offs . Your views are always based on what suits kings lynn ...No doubt your backing of Mads is because he is KL rider rather that any think based on fact . Your perception of me backing Mads is totally wrong. I don't disagree with the sacking of any rider, but not with only one match to play. That in itself is ridiculous. Of cause I like support the Stars, but not blindingly to the extent of everything else. To me the sport of British Speedway far outweighs that of the support of our local team and any idea and views I have, are based that way.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunRobin Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 However, nobody seems to remember Wolves getting a facility against Eastbourne for Pawlicki, who was sacked after the 28/8 deadline. The same scenario but different outcome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointsmeanplayoffs Posted September 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 I see I argue for the play offs because I like them ..Don't tell me you argue against them because you don't like them Dr Watson awaits you Sherlock . Any system that keeps the season alive and keeps clubs afloat is right . As said intill you factor in the money side of the sport then you will never understand why we have to have play offs . Your views are always based on what suits kings lynn ...No doubt your backing of Mads is because he is KL rider rather that any think based on fact . I think your implication that GRW is a Mads fan is hilarious! NOBODY complained more about Mads when he was a Stars rider than GRW!! However, nobody seems to remember Wolves getting a facility against Eastbourne for Pawlicki, who was sacked after the 28/8 deadline. The same scenario but different outcome! Piotr was banned though, hence a facility was granted. Mads was just sacked, hence no facility. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunRobin Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 (edited) I think your implication that GRW is a Mads fan is hilarious! NOBODY complained more about Mads when he was a Stars rider than GRW!! Piotr was banned though, hence a facility was granted. Mads was just sacked, hence no facility. Why were Leicester not granted the same facility, they must have asked for a 28 day ban so that they could have a facility. Plus the fact that no changes are allowed after the cut off date, so the only option should have been a 6 point PL rider in both cases. The usual BSPA action, the same situation, 2 different outcomes! Edited September 18, 2014 by DunRobin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Why were Leicester not granted the same facility, they must have asked for a 28 day ban so that they could have a facility. Plus the fact that no changes are allowed after the cut off date, so the only option should have been a 6 point PL rider in both cases. The usual BSPA action, the same situation, 2 different outcomes! Mads rode for them again afterwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 But in all seriousness, Mads is not that kind of rider. I've had the pleasure of watching teams with him in for a few seasons now and he is not the sort of guy who goes missing meetings at the drop of a hat. That's not Mads. But surely the whole point is that he DID miss meetings for the Lions, so therefore he IS that kind of rider. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 However, nobody seems to remember Wolves getting a facility against Eastbourne for Pawlicki, who was sacked after the 28/8 deadline. The same scenario but different outcome! No it's not. Pawlicki refused to ride so Wolves declared him as withholding his services. Mads didn't refuse to ride - he was sacked for having a dr note for a meeting at BV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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