stratton Posted September 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Are you kidding? Ward got 9 in the PL. Lambert would do well to get 7.Are you for real 7?have you not seen him ride?.Gordon Bennett nailed it, the difference is just his gating but for a sixteen year old he has a great racing brain.And lets not forget he has coped easily in the top five all year,i don't think there are any reserves there now who would cope week in week out.He would of learned alot this year,set ups ( ect) for me the most impressive thing about him is he is not phased by reputations. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Sorry but as much as I despise Ward the person he is well ahead of Lambert at 16. Lambert is good but as SCB said Ward was averaging 9 in the premier and Lambert would do well to reach 7.5 do you think he is as good as Cook at premier level or about the same as say Tungate who would probably average the same as Lambert at number 2 in the Lynnn side. Lambert has potential but don't overhype Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Are you for real 7?have you not seen him ride?.Gordon Bennett nailed it, the difference is just his gating but for a sixteen year old he has a great racing brain.And lets not forget he has coped easily in the top five all year,i don't think there are any reserves there now who would cope week in week out.He would of learned alot this year,set ups ( ect) for me the most impressive thing about him is he is not phased by reputations. He has got 5.5 in the EL as a second string. Thats converts to about 6.8 in the PL. He's a good rider, I've said before that the speed with which he throws a bike into a bend is phenomenal and once he learns to keep that speed out of the bend to he's going to be a great rider. But Darcy Ward at 16 he aint - sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Are you for real 7?have you not seen him ride?.Gordon Bennett nailed it, the difference is just his gating but for a sixteen year old he has a great racing brain.And lets not forget he has coped easily in the top five all year,i don't think there are any reserves there now who would cope week in week out.He would of learned alot this year,set ups ( ect) for me the most impressive thing about him is he is not phased by reputations. I think we must be watching a different Lambert than some people Sid!!! I had a long chat with Buster Chapman in prague this year & he thinks Lambert is better than Ward was at the same age, no better person to give comparision! Yes i agree with you on Brady Kurtz, i get to see him regularly at Somerset. Another rider i like is Nick Morris, first saw him in 2010 at Buxton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted September 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 He has got 5.5 in the EL as a second string. Thats converts to about 6.8 in the PL. He's a good rider, I've said before that the speed with which he throws a bike into a bend is phenomenal and once he learns to keep that speed out of the bend to he's going to be a great rider. But Darcy Ward at 16 he aint - sadly.Some good points certainly about the speed element,and lets be honest how many can compare with Ward.? But a thing i have never done is to convert a EL average to a PL two different disciplines different tracks and different sizes.Some of the tracks in the Pl would of suited him down to the ground,ie) Scunthorpe,Workington,Somerset,Sheffield,as examples proper racing strips.I will stick my neck out and say he will certainly turn out a better rider than Cook i am hopefull that he has a great career ahead of him. I think we must be watching a different Lambert than some people Sid!!! I had a long chat with Buster Chapman in prague this year & he thinks Lambert is better than Ward was at the same age, no better person to give comparision! Yes i agree with you on Brady Kurtz, i get to see him regularly at Somerset. Another rider i like is Nick Morris, first saw him in 2010 at BuxtonMorris i see everyweek and the quality is there,if he keeps working he will get higher up the ladder.A rider who i have kept an eye on and he has really impressed me is the Czech Eduard Krcmar he is promising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Some good points certainly about the speed element,and lets be honest how many can compare with Ward.? But a thing i have never done is to convert a EL average to a PL two different disciplines different tracks and different sizes.Some of the tracks in the Pl would of suited him down to the ground,ie) Scunthorpe,Workington,Somerset,Sheffield,as examples proper racing strips.I will stick my neck out and say he will certainly turn out a better rider than Cook i am hopefull that he has a great career ahead of him. Morris i see everyweek and the quality is there,if he keeps working he will get higher up the ladder.A rider who i have kept an eye on and he has really impressed me is the Czech Eduard Krcmar he is promising. I go too Swindon most weeks Sidney, must meet up for a pint! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 Havent seen lambert race live but comparing him to Ward at 16 is pathetic  Ward topped the pl aves and actually got better when he moved up from reserve. In his first el season he was averagin about seven. In a stronger league Ward a far bigger talent sadly seems to go off the rails alot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) Comparing their ability on the bike isn't pathetic at all, and that's from somebody who watched both week in week out at 16. But their gating is worlds apart and Robert's scores won't hit the heights until he gets that sorted. We probably won't be able to compare them properly until the end of 2016, if Lambert is averaging 9+ in the EL at eighteen then he will be round about where Darcy was at that age. Would like to see Lambert doing EL and PL next year and then hopefully Sweden and Poland the year after. Edited September 19, 2014 by Gordon Bennett 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 TBH, what he's doing at 16, 17 or 18 it's clsoe to irrelevant. If Ward gets banned for 2 years now, comes back to the GP in 3 years time and never really gets over it while Robert takes until he's 25 to hit the big time and then wins 5 World titles in his 30s then Robert will have been the bigger success. Â It would be nice if someone could work with him now to fix his gating - rather than doing a Bomber and waiting until he's 30! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 We were talking about this at Lynn the other night, wondering if it was a technique issue or set up, or both. I don't think our track really helps him to be honest, the starts are the grippiest around and not the easiest to make a good getaway from, he seems to gate better away from home much of the time. If he can get it sorted soon the sky is the limit for him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted September 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 Havent seen lambert race live but comparing him to Ward at 16 is pathetic Ward topped the pl aves and actually got better when he moved up from reserve. In his first el season he was averagin about seven. In a stronger league Ward a far bigger talent sadly seems to go off the rails alot. You are entitled to your opinion but comparing there ability at the same age is not Pathetic.Maybe hypothetical, but you have to say Lambert thrown straight in to the EL and he did not even start in March was a few weeks behind was at a higher level that Ward started at.Also as you said Ward averaged about seven in his first EL campaign( i admit the level was higher ) that was after a full season in the PL.Look nobody underestimates what a talent Ward is, Lambert if his gating can improve will progress no doubts in my mind injury free. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted September 20, 2014 Report Share Posted September 20, 2014 Fair comment just think Ward at sixteen was an all round better rider and an accomplished number one. Dont think lambert would be at this stage. Â Best debutant in the PL must surely be nicki pedersen tho, averaging 10+ in a very strong league. But thats going off topic a bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted September 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2014 Fair comment just think Ward at sixteen was an all round better rider and an accomplished number one. Dont think lambert would be at this stage. Best debutant in the PL must surely be nicki pedersen tho, averaging 10+ in a very strong league. But thats going off topic a bit Newcastle over the years have been masters in producing top class riders, some people in the know say if you can master Brough Park then you are half way there.!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 20, 2014 Report Share Posted September 20, 2014 Best debutant in the PL must surely be nicki pedersen tho, averaging 10+ in a very strong league. But thats going off topic a bitNicki was about 22 though so a very unfair comparison. The two best 16yo's were Ward and Woffy who got just over bad just under 9. David Howe got 7.5 in 1998. Can't think of any other 16 year olds who got over 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted September 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2014 Nicki was about 22 though so a very unfair comparison. The two best 16yo's were Ward and Woffy who got just over bad just under 9. David Howe got 7.5 in 1998. Can't think of any other 16 year olds who got over 6. Lee was an exception all those years ago better than all named,one young lad i really thought could of done well was Michael Graves it didnt happen for some reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted September 20, 2014 Report Share Posted September 20, 2014 I remember seeing Dave Jessup having his first rides as a 16 year old. Now he wasn't too shabby once he found his feet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted September 20, 2014 Report Share Posted September 20, 2014 Nicki was about 22 though so a very unfair comparison. Â The two best 16yo's were Ward and Woffy who got just over bad just under 9. David Howe got 7.5 in 1998. Can't think of any other 16 year olds who got over 6. True just saying he was the best newcomer in the pl ive seen. Pure class Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Peter Collins had an 8.4 average in his first full season in British League he was 18 though . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Peter Collins had an 8.4 average in his first full season in British League he was 18 though . Now he was good, really good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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