Ghostwalker Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 (edited) not writing them off but if you look where they were 3 years ago they haven't actually gone forward. As you say there is still time but they should be knocking on the door of the gp's quite loudly but they are not. When you see Smolinski and Harris in there then you would think Janowski in particular should be almost there by now Well who's career have been going straight up all the time? It's fairly common that young talents have dips early in their career. I haven't seen much of Przemyslaw Pawlicki this yea but last season and the season he was very good for Piraterna. I definitely think he will be a world class rider and a future GP-rider. Edited September 11, 2014 by Ghostwalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 Well who's career have been going straight up all the time? It's fairly common that young talents have dips early in their career. Very true.A rider bursts onto the scene and then obviously gets offers left,right and centre and probably takes on too much too soon.It is then a case of consolidation and learning a lot in a short time.Some sink under the pressure and one or two come out swimming,but it is rare that a rider goes straight to the top without a dip or two Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 I see Kujawa got a mention as an "over rated Pole". He was never, ever rated by anyone. Even the Poles were shocked when he won the U21 title in '01. Along with Robert Kaspzak (brother of Krys), Christophe Cayre and some other French dude who I can't remember (who weirdly, all rode for the IoW!), Kujawa one of the worst riders I've ever seen live! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 You could off the top of my head also add Szombierski,Okoniewski,Hlib and of course the wonder of the SWC Marcin RempalaCan't figure out Marcin Rempala looked a class act in his few meetings for Berwick but just seems happy to plod along in Poland,Definately should have had a much better career in the sport IMO . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 (edited) It was a rhetorical question,i wasn't really after a detailed answer But it does highlight just what can happen to any decent young rider.Personally i hope Robert Lambert carries on making good progress and will reach the top before any of the above named riders.What happened to the young guy with the dreadlocks who burst on the scene last year?Lunna.......still going strong? Very true.A rider bursts onto the scene and then obviously gets offers left,right and centre and probably takes on too much too soon.It is then a case of consolidation and learning a lot in a short time.Some sink under the pressure and one or two come out swimming,but it is rare that a rider goes straight to the top without a dip or two I wasn't in the mood to spot such nyances. Lunna is doing quite fine. Pretty much a perfect example of your second post. If I'm honest I think he dipped a little at the start of the season but is now getting back there. Havent chat with him that much, but he's always honest and doesnt look for stupid excuses. So in that way he's on the path... So he's swimming at the moment, but trials for the Olympics are a long way still. Well who's career have been going straight up all the time? Darcy Ward's? Thats until August 2014 that is. Chris Holder is another one thats pretty close. Possibly Sajfutdinov until he got injured last year. 3 riders at the top of the world. EDIT: Probably the most important thing was forgotten regarding Nike Lunna. 18 years last saturday, dreadlocks are gone. Edited September 11, 2014 by f-s-p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 EDIT: Probably the most important thing was forgotten regarding Nike Lunna. 18 years last saturday, dreadlocks are gone. There was news on the net a while back that Arthur Sissis was contemplating a comeback after being dropped by his Superbike team or whatever it was.Now he is one of the most naturally talented youngsters i have seen.Should hit the ground running and make it up there very quickly.if he does come back.Australia would have a frighteningly good team if darcy could get himself straightened out and then Fricke or Kurtz reach international standard as well..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 The truth is there are a hell of a lot of talented young riders out there but only a handful will ever make it to the top. The GP qualification system makes it hard to get in and stay in. In my humble opinion as a 66 year old long-time fan, it was easier in days gone by for a talented young rider to mature and make his mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric i Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 Maybe not classed as a young rider but I expect Martin Vaculik to be GP regular in the not to distant future, he is still only 24 and is top of the polish league averages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 i I see Kujawa got a mention as an "over rated Pole". He was never, ever rated by anyone. Even the Poles were shocked when he won the U21 title in '01. Along with Robert Kaspzak (brother of Krys), Christophe Cayre and some other French dude who I can't remember (who weirdly, all rode for the IoW!), Kujawa one of the worst riders I've ever seen live! Jeremy Barraud?? Christophe Cayre was proper special!! Although Aurellian Lemarque I saw in an u-21 round at Poole made Cayre look like Ivan Mauger!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 Jeremy Barraud?? Christophe Cayre was proper special!! Although Aurellian Lemarque I saw in an u-21 round at Poole made Cayre look like Ivan Mauger!! Jeremy Baurrad, thats the guy. Couldn't even slide the bike around the bends, hilarious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 Will young Pawlicki be a GP regular and a future star what do people think? or is he like alot of young poles over the years overated and go on and underachieve.I rate the bloke highly the best young rider i have seen since Ward exciting to watch a real talent. Yes Sidney, Pawlicki, what a talent. But lets not forget rob lambert! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Having seen Piotr most weeks this season at Monmore ..... adly not every week ..... I can say that he has everything needed to make it to the top. He can gate as fast as anyone but also comes from the back on a regular basis. He has good sponsors, a good team behind him and is dedicated to reaching the top with the right approach. Bartosz Zmarzlik and Pawel Prezdpelski look to be the three big stars in Poland now whilew Denmark and Sweden also have some encouraging younsters coming though too and while Britain has some young riders progessing I can't think of any that you could pick as future GP stars at the moment.that can be a future Tai Woffinden. There are some emerging talents from other countries like Vaclav Milik and Andrej Lebedevs but you can see in ten years time the GP's still being dominated mainly by Poles, Danes and Swedes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Having seen Piotr most weeks this season at Monmore ..... adly not every week ..... I can say that he has everything needed to make it to the top. He can gate as fast as anyone but also comes from the back on a regular basis. He has good sponsors, a good team behind him and is dedicated to reaching the top with the right approach. Bartosz Zmarzlik and Pawel Prezdpelski look to be the three big stars in Poland now whilew Denmark and Sweden also have some encouraging younsters coming though too and while Britain has some young riders progessing I can't think of any that you could pick as future GP stars at the moment.that can be a future Tai Woffinden. There are some emerging talents from other countries like Vaclav Milik and Andrej Lebedevs but you can see in ten years time the GP's still being dominated mainly by Poles, Danes and Swedes AND Aussies... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Still dominated by Swedes? Yeah because since Rickardsson retired they've taken over haven't they? And just who have they got going forward? Lets not get too excited about the Swedes just yet. The Poles and Danes just seem to be knocking them out one after the other at the moment though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Having seen Piotr most weeks this season at Monmore ..... adly not every week ..... I can say that he has everything needed to make it to the top. He can gate as fast as anyone but also comes from the back on a regular basis. He has good sponsors, a good team behind him and is dedicated to reaching the top with the right approach. Bartosz Zmarzlik and Pawel Prezdpelski look to be the three big stars in Poland now whilew Denmark and Sweden also have some encouraging younsters coming though too and while Britain has some young riders progessing I can't think of any that you could pick as future GP stars at the moment.that can be a future Tai Woffinden. There are some emerging talents from other countries like Vaclav Milik and Andrej Lebedevs but you can see in ten years time the GP's still being dominated mainly by Poles, Danes and Swedes What about Rob Lambert, as good as Ward was at 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted September 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 What about Rob Lambert, as good as Ward was at 16LEE at 16 was in a different parish, a no 1 in the old NL and was averaging 7.50 in the best league in the world.You are right though Lambert is a prospect and he has impressed me he can push on Kurtz also is in the same bracket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 LEE at 16 was in a different parish, a no 1 in the old NL and was averaging 7.50 in the best league in the world.You are right though Lambert is a prospect and he has impressed me he can push on Kurtz also is in the same bracket. Hi Sidney, yes Lee was on another planet. Apart from Lee, Sayfutdinov & Screen, cant think of anyone better at 16 than Lambert! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted September 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Hi Sidney, yes Lee was on another planet. Apart from Lee, Sayfutdinov & Screen, cant think of anyone better at 16 than Lambert!I agree Gustafsson i know was a bit older but he was a talent he underachieved i believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 What about Rob Lambert, as good as Ward was at 16 Are you kidding? Ward got 9 in the PL. Lambert would do well to get 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 (edited) The big difference is that Ward could gate at 16 whereas Lambert can't. While that's a big factor for me it's the only difference between Lambert now and Darcy in 2009.....in terms of speed, track craft, racing brain etc I'd say there is very little in it. Edited September 17, 2014 by Gordon Bennett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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