Panthers Vs Glasgow (9/9/13)

[heather21]

Your glass half full attitude is commendable dosen't take away from the fact that with a half decent No 1 we would have won that tonight he must go down as one off the worst signings we have ever made and that is saying something with some off the duffers we have signed over the years

 

Soory forgot about Penfold second worst then.

 

I feel your pain Gazc, it's so bloody frustrating! Really thought we would win that. Ahh well.

[george.m]

Well what do you say?

Well done to the lads who brought the points in, the same ones doing it most of this season.

 

Another case of "if only" we'd had all riders firing at the same time and yet again an excellent choice of guest.

We seem to be better at choosing guests than assets!

[Mimmo]

I must say that I feel you were unlucky not to take all the points back up to Scotland with you, and had your No 1 done a third of the job that he was employed to do, then you would have done so.

 

I'm in no shape or form knocking Peterborough, because they provided some excellent entertainment, but to never be in front at HOME until the last race, makes it a bit unlucky to the visitors for me, who probably like many people, didn't think they'd get within 10-points of the Panthers.

 

What a dreadful looking crash by Rusty Harrison, and what a relief to see him finally get up and walk away. One of speedway's Mister Nice Guys.

 

Well done both teams, for providing top quality entertainment.

[TheScotsman]

I know Palovaara gets a huge amount of stick on the BSF as do the Glasgow management for signing him, but..................

 

..... he did score 10 in the World U21 Qualifier at Leicester in May - http://speedwayupdates.proboards.com/thread/13312/world-qualifying-round-leicester-30pm

 

This included wins over Gino Manzares, the highly rated Eduard Krcmar and against Max Fricke in the run-off.

 

So based on that he should have been a decent signing.

 

To be honest he didn't look that bad last night.

Wasn't gating but was keeping up.

 

Maybe it's his equipment that's not up to it over here - is it still borrowed stuff?

Edited September 10, 2014 by TheScotsman

[TheScotsman]

Apart from the Palovaara debate, this was a good close match with the result always in doubt.

 

Glasgow started like an express train and 6 up after 4 heats and again after 9 heats was fair reward.

 

Pijper blitzed heat 1 as did Ellis in heat 2.

In fact Ellis rode well throughout and was very at home on the bigger track. Might be the first meeting I've seen him in when he hasn't fallen at least once!

He rode very well to beat Ostergaard in heat 4 - the only rider to do so in 9 attempts.

Pijper also rode well to beat Dryml.

 

Wolbert was never a threat to the home heat leaders and even lost to Dilger in his last ride!!

 

Aarnio looked useful and looks to be getting back on the pace.

 

Harrison was a bit of a handful and had a good win over Dryml before taking a nasty tumble in his last ride trying to move up from the back. He went into turn 2 far too fast and paid the penalty. Seemed to crack his head hard on the track so it was a relief to see him up and walking back after a while.

The ref was seriously late late in getting the red lights on after the crash - the riders were past the start line before they came on.

 

Lykke Nielsen was pretty impressive - certainly gated better than when I saw him for Rye.

He and Ellis showed what reserves should be doing - 15+3 from 9 versus 4 from 10.

 

For Panthers,

Bjerre recovered after a slow first race to be unbeaten by an opponent in his next 4, including 2 big 5-1s with Ostergaard in 13 & 15.

Dryml rode well to only drop a couple of points - such a supreme stylist!

 

Roynon was very erratic. 2 self inflicted falls and a good heat win and a second plus a last. Needs to settle down a bit.

 

Ostergaard was majestic. A surprising defeat to Ellis and then vroom for the rest of the night.

Probably didn't gate first at all but so spectacular round the boards.

 

Dilger tried hard, gated then lost position, until his last 2 rides - a good finish ahead of Wolbert in heat 12 to reduce the deficit to 4, and then a very good second ahead of Ellis in heat 14 to avoid the deficit opening up to 4, after Roynon had binned it whilst third.

 

Barrett - words fail me!!

 

Glasgow were certainly faster out of the gate most of the evening and may feel hard done by not to have got a draw.

 

R/R for Hall mustered only 4 from the number 2 position so maybe no improvement on what Hall might have scored.

It's grim when you are giving r/r rides to Dilger and Barrett!!

 

Lovely fresh batch of chips from the catering van plus programmes available this time plus the lighting seemed better in the stand.

Just need the riders to talk more slowly when being interviewed on the mic!!

 

Not sure how Panthers are going to occupy themselves after Sunday given the League Cup final against Monarchs is was down on their priorities.

[Lioness]

I know Palovaara gets a huge amount of stick on the BSF as do the Glasgow management for signing him, but..................

 

..... he did score 10 in the World U21 Qualifier at Leicester in May - http://speedwayupdates.proboards.com/thread/13312/world-qualifying-round-leicester-30pm

 

This included wins over Gino Manzares, the highly rated Eduard Krcmar and against Max Fricke in the run-off.

 

So based on that he should have been a decent signing.

 

To be honest he didn't look that back last night.

Wasn't gating but was keeping up.

 

Maybe it's his equipment that's not up to it over here - is it still borrowed stuff?

 

I asked last week and was told he IS still on borrowed equipment.

 

I still think people are aiming the criticism in the wrong direction. He was signed to get an average for next season, no one ever seriously thought he was a no 1. He was only ever expected to learn this season and to constantly criticise him for not being a no 1 - a position he was never expected to ride to - is unfair on the rider. If he comes back at reserve next season - a more realistic position - judge him then and not this season against past failures who couldnt score at reserve. the fault here is NOT the riders and knocking him - as opposed to those who put him in the position - is counter productive imo

[SCB]

 

I asked last week and was told he IS still on borrowed equipment.

 

I still think people are aiming the criticism in the wrong direction. He was signed to get an average for next season, no one ever seriously thought he was a no 1. He was only ever expected to learn this season and to constantly criticise him for not being a no 1 - a position he was never expected to ride to - is unfair on the rider. If he comes back at reserve next season - a more realistic position - judge him then and not this season against past failures who couldnt score at reserve. the fault here is NOT the riders and knocking him - as opposed to those who put him in the position - is counter productive imo

But he's not beating anyone. So he's be a piss poor reserve. Signing crap like Palovara and Konupka on 7's who only get 3s is wrong. It needs to be stopped this winter at the AGM. minimum averages need to be introduced.

[MD]

 

I asked last week and was told he IS still on borrowed equipment.

 

I still think people are aiming the criticism in the wrong direction. He was signed to get an average for next season, no one ever seriously thought he was a no 1. He was only ever expected to learn this season and to constantly criticise him for not being a no 1 - a position he was never expected to ride to - is unfair on the rider. If he comes back at reserve next season - a more realistic position - judge him then and not this season against past failures who couldnt score at reserve. the fault here is NOT the riders and knocking him - as opposed to those who put him in the position - is counter productive imo

We are going to have some amount of reserves/second strings next year with Palovaara, Ringwood, Thomsen, Berge etc. Kasper should already have one of those positions secured. Bringing over yet more assessed riders still doesn't solve the problem of finding a No1 capable of holding their own.

[Lioness]

We are going to have some amount of reserves/second strings next year with Palovaara, Ringwood, Thomsen, Berge etc. Kasper should already have one of those positions secured. Bringing over yet more assessed riders still doesn't solve the problem of finding a No1 capable of holding their own.

We would be a hell of a top heavy team lol. I agree with you MD Im just saying taking it out on Palovara isn't the answer

But he's not beating anyone. So he's be a piss poor reserve. Signing crap like Palovara and Konupka on 7's who only get 3s is wrong. It needs to be stopped this winter at the AGM. minimum averages need to be introduced.

I find this so ironic given your signature. perhaps trying to read what is written rather that what you want it to say would help

[cheggie]

We are going to have some amount of reserves/second strings next year with Palovaara, Ringwood, Thomsen, Berge etc. Kasper should already have one of those positions secured. Bringing over yet more assessed riders still doesn't solve the problem of finding a No1 capable of holding their own.

I would only have Berge and Kasper back from that list?!

[Lioness]

I would only have Berge and Kasper back from that list?!

You'd have to know that Anders would definitely be able to make a go of it , you cant take a risk on a rider likely to drop out again. Ringwood might come into the equation depending on availability and averages. The two you name are the only two I would definitely have on my list from day 1 as well though

[cheggie]

You'd have to know that Anders would definitely be able to make a go of it , you cant take a risk on a rider likely to drop out again. Ringwood might come into the equation depending on availability and averages. The two you name are the only two I would definitely have on my list from day 1 as well though

Something along these lines for next year? Althought there will be various depending circumstances i.e. getting Kasper from Rye and Kev belonging to Edinburgh!

 

 

1 2 Anders Thomsen 5.86 3 Kev Wolbert 5.86 4 Theo Pijper 6.6 5 Rusty Harrison 6.48 6 Kasper Lykke 4.46 7 Dimitri Berge 4.9 34.16 8.34 left

[jenga]

is this not rustys lasy year in the uk.

[mudflaps]

is this not rustys lasy year in the uk.

he looked a little Rusty to me!

[SCB]

We would be a hell of a top heavy team lol. I agree with you MD Im just saying taking it out on Palovara isn't the answer

I find this so ironic given your signature. perhaps trying to read what is written rather that what you want it to say would help

My point was that the 7 point average is is given is there to stop him being a reserve. He should not be allowed to drop it reserve as you suggest. The assessed 7 point average is meant to mean only good quality (if we assume 7 is good quality) riders ride over here.

 

Having foreigners come over and allowed to get a 3 point average because they'll become good is a joke. Why not sign a young Brit on a 3 point average? He might become good too.

 

My rant BTW is aimed at a number of clubs, a few of them have done it. Glasgow seem to have a habit of it though

[Tsunami]

My point was that the 7 point average is is given is there to stop him being a reserve. He should not be allowed to drop it reserve as you suggest. The assessed 7 point average is meant to mean only good quality (if we assume 7 is good quality) riders ride over here.

 

Having foreigners come over and allowed to get a 3 point average because they'll become good is a joke. Why not sign a young Brit on a 3 point average? He might become good too.

 

My rant BTW is aimed at a number of clubs, a few of them have done it. Glasgow seem to have a habit of it though

Not as much as the Monarchs have in recent years. Tabaka, Dilger, Busch, etc, .

[TheScotsman]

Too harsh.

 

Smokin Joe Tabaka averaged 6 last season and would have been a heat leader this year had he not been wiped out by Morris in the play-off final and suffering an horrendously badly broken leg.

 

Toby Busch only had a few meetings and was getting on fine but ran out of matches.

 

Dilger I will give you!!

 

However you are ignoring the difficulty Monarchs and Glasgow have in getting anyone to travel that far north for home matches.

There are a few who won't even travel up there for away matches!!

 

So both teams have no choice other than to look abroad and take the chance.

Sometimes it pays off.

Sometimes it doesn't.

[wealdstone]

Glasgow very unfortunate to lose this meeting.

[SCB]

Not as much as the Monarchs have in recent years. Tabaka, Dilger, Busch, etc, .

And Fox this year. Tabaka is a bit harsh but you forget Helfer!

 

But look at some of the riders Glasgow have had. Campton, O'Malley, Davey, Ringwood, Horwood the one who did about 3 meetings before being bombed out in 2010 and Thomsen.

Edited September 10, 2014 by SCB

[Tsunami]

And Fox this year. Tabaka is a bit harsh but you forget Helfer!

 

But look at some of the riders Glasgow have had. Campton, O'Malley, Davey, Ringwood, Horwood the one who did about 3 meetings before being bombed out in 2010 and Thomsen.

Helfer was the one i could just not remember his name, damn.

Didn't wee Joe not have about a 3 point average, and then I think got recalled and faired better.

I excluded Steve W as he was genuine, just needed a change but still surprised everyone, including brother Richie

Fox I think has something, and it is to the Monarchs' credit that they guaranteed his position this year despite his worrying start.

 

Thing is, the '3 pointers' were engaged around the Wolbert 'average' times, so there were many suspicions.

Too harsh.

 

Smokin Joe Tabaka averaged 6 last season and would have been a heat leader this year had he not been wiped out by Morris in the play-off final and suffering an horrendously badly broken leg.

 

Toby Busch only had a few meetings and was getting on fine but ran out of matches.

 

Dilger I will give you!!

 

However you are ignoring the difficulty Monarchs and Glasgow have in getting anyone to travel that far north for home matches.

There are a few who won't even travel up there for away matches!!

 

So both teams have no choice other than to look abroad and take the chance.

Sometimes it pays off.

Sometimes it doesn't.

My point was not the Scottish teams using or having to use foreigners. My point was the Monarchs happened to nicely get assessed riders low averages to enable them to come back at a later date.