TheScotsman Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 'A select group that is superior in terms of ability or qualities to the rest of a group or society'. Therefore the EL is the top league in the UK. Look, there is no doubt the EL has plenty of issues, mainly centre around rider availability, but saying its rubbish because one team thrashed another on telly is daft. Have a look at Edinburgh & Somerset's home scores this year. Apart from the reserves brought up from the NL to save costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 The Elite League is crap because it is not Elite. End of. The elite league isn't crap, it is the best league in this country and very well supported at my club. i went to Kings Lynn once to see the premier league final of the play offs a few years ago thinking this is a final it will be cracking, so bored, half the straight gaps between riders and i think they won 60-30 and that was a final!! Not saying all premier league racing is like that but if you think the odd one sided match only happens in the elite league, you are mistaken. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Hardly the same. Elite League is meant to be the pinnacle of our sport in the UK and it suggests a league full of the best and most elite riders in our sport from numbers 1-5. I don't think the present Elite League matches that latter description. No it's not. It's menat to be the strongest league in this country. Change the names of the league to League 1, League 2 and League 3. Why does it matter what they're called? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Except that in many cases , such as Peterboro and a few others the PL clubs are not paying the riders wages, so that league is hardly the resounding success that some would have us believe. Or, it is what I believe, that promoters are not "Promoters" and are getting out of the sport what efforts they put in. As for Peterborough not paying riders' wages, there crowds were less than healthy in the Elite League in recent years, as the vast empty spaces on the grandstand showed. Even that border collie dog got fed up and stopped going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 You get good racing in either league depends on the level of opposition. At Ipswich in the all conquering side of the late 90's the racing was crap. We thrashed teams and the racing generall wasnt great. I know in some Poole's fans minds thats Utopia but it wasnt good. Same as when we were struggling in the Elite League and getting thrashed ourselves. Have to say ive seen much better racing in the Premier than the Elite and its fair to say that the Premier league matches on Sky have been far better than the elite league ones. The Elite league may have the better riders but the racing isnt as good 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Apart from the reserves brought up from the NL to save costs. Irrelevant. The EL is still the highest standard in the UK. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Looks a bit silly though, the Elite League is supposedly higher standard... yet there are a few National League riders near the top of the averages. Explain that one to a newcomer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 The sport's on it's arse cheeks and all some are interested in is 'my dad's bigger than your Dad ner ner ner ner ner'. It's no wonder the promoters can't be bothered. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudflaps Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Its clear you are a PL Speedway fan first and foremost. Why don't YOU look up the definition of Premier jocky. I looked - It said ! premier jocky - definition - see Steve Brum! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 The sport's on it's arse cheeks and all some are interested in is 'my dad's bigger than your Dad ner ner ner ner ner'. It's no wonder the promoters can't be bothered. Exactly... and the sport is where it is... simply because promoters have neglected it over the years. They couldn't be bothered, long before fans gave them the excuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Can anyone tell me where the Swindon v Coventry thread went.... 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Can anyone tell me where the Swindon v Coventry thread went.... Down the pan? Same as British speedway... most lost interest in it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Hardly the same. Elite League is meant to be the pinnacle of our sport in the UK and it suggests a league full of the best and most elite riders in our sport from numbers 1-5. I don't think the present Elite League matches that latter description. Or rather your poor attempt to debate my point. Rather than prove to me that the Elite League is in fact Elite... which you can't! you deflect to the Premier League. Poor show chaps, poor show. What is there to prove?? The EL (in Speedway league terms) Is the strongest in the UK. End of discussion. By debating its name or definition means that there can and will be comparisons of other leagues currently running alongside it. WE ALL KNOW the EL isn't as strong as it once was. It is just a name at the end of the day. If you really want to be clever and add some substance to the debate stop making it about the name being wrong. If a Heat 13 containing Tai Woffinden (World Champion) and Piotr Pawlicki (U21 World Champ in waiting) V Neils K Iversen (World Number 3) and Kenneth Bjerre GP Rider) isn't EL (Wolves V Kings Lynn) then you might need to change your specs. I do find it amusing that PL fans always come up with same useless argument that `there is nothing Elite about the EL`. By the same definition `There is nothing Premier about the PL`. Its a fair and just comparison. I looked - It said ! premier jocky - definition - see Steve Brum! I tried to find your definition but i will refer to the polite version - runt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudflaps Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Thats astounding logic. The EL is $hite because Coventry lost? ~50% of teams lose in the PL too. wrong!!! what happens when theres a draw!!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 (edited) Hardly the same. Elite League is meant to be the pinnacle of our sport in the UK and it suggests a league full of the best and most elite riders in our sport from numbers 1-5. I don't think the present Elite League matches that latter description. Or rather your poor attempt to debate my point. Rather than prove to me that the Elite League is in fact Elite... which you can't! you deflect to the Premier League. Poor show chaps, poor show. This is how the discussion gets reduced to a childish level. Nobody who supports EL clubs is claiming that it is the greatest thing since sliced bread and nobody who supports EL clubs is challenging the fact that some fans may feel subjectively that they prefer PL racing. If you enjoy it that's fine. I enjoy fish and chips but I don't expect everyone to have the same preference. Yet for some reason some on the PL side of the discussion have this chip on their shoulder about the title "Elite League". As SCB has already said the name of the league doesn't affect the standard of the racing, and if the day ever comes when the most important topic of discussion is the title of the league the sport will be in a much healthier state that in is now. But still the usual suspects keep banging on about the title of the league and twisting the dictionary definition which in no way suggests it contains the best and most elite riders in the sport at 1-5 or even 1-7. It is merely the top league in this country. It might not be a very high standard but it is still by definition, the top or "Elite League " in relation to the others. Your problem seems to be not with speedway but with your English teacher who didn't teach you the meaning of the word "elite", but really, unless you have anything constructive to say you are just making yourself look an idiot by keeping on about a name. You might as well argue there are no wolves in the Wolverhampton team and no robins in the Swindon team. For goodness sake lets move on to a more adult level of discussion. Edited September 9, 2014 by E I Addio 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudflaps Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 I tried to find your definition but i will refer to the polite version - runt. I thought I saw your name on a loaf of bread in Waitrose easlier - Then I realised that i said THICK CUT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 wrong!!! what happens when theres a draw!!? No, it's right. Thats why there is a ~ in front of the 50% the ~ means estimated in maths. Draws are rare enough to be statistically insignificant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 I thought I saw your name on a loaf of bread in Waitrose easlier - Then I realised that i said THICK CUT! You certainly are the better at name calls and put downs. Mothers Pride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Robin Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Got to say, the last two pages of this thread has become" Hillarious" Just switched on and laughing my socks off. You should all be live on SKY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 No, it's right. Thats why there is a ~ in front of the 50% the ~ means estimated in maths. Draws are rare enough to be statistically insignificant. Step forward Sheldon Cooper, Big Bang Theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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