stevebrum Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 One glance at the PL tells yoy everything that is wrong. Last week saw matches with reserve heats including: Jan Graversen Rafal Konopka Matej Kus Alex Edberg Roland Benko Zdenek Simota Max Dilger Nicki Barrett Taylor Poole Cameron Heeps Todd Kurtz Aaron Fox That's where most of these lads should be learning their trade. And yet some of the PL fans will tell us that there league is spot on. Just goes to show they care even less about its British future. About time ALL the leagues started working together instead of thinking `our league is better` all the time. ALL the leagues have issues. I agree it should have been used in the PL, 2 Brits at reserve would suffice. All I'm saying is after the balls up they've made of the EL I can understand the apprehension / reluctance to go with their idea. Is that really what the EL wanted, where would their cost saving come from? IF the PL cared about the future of British Speedway they would do the right thing. If anything they are the most stubborn league to not want to change which probably shows where the issues lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 And yet some of the PL fans will tell us that there league is spot on. Just goes to show they care even less about its British future. About time ALL the leagues started working together instead of thinking `our league is better` all the time. ALL the leagues have issues. IF the PL cared about the future of British Speedway they would do the right thing. If anything they are the most stubborn league to not want to change which probably shows where the issues lie. That's a very blinkered view. You have been involved in numerous discussions surrounding the shenanigans and corruption in the EL. Not saying it doesn't go on in other leagues but repeat, I would be apprehensive boarding a sinking ship. Birmingham tried it when desperation came calling after Frost/Sadhugate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 In my opinion should the Elite League continue in anything like it's current state then there should be just ONE National League draft rider. This would be a rider competing in the NL next season while the other reserve should be a doubling up British rider under the age of 21 or a British rider doubling up. I have been saying for years that foreign riders should keep their assessed averages until they reach that figure but if they are injured or miss a meeting, a guest or r/r can only be used on the riders actual average which would give British riders more places in the Premier League and especially at reserve where they should be after moving up. The format for me has been the biggest let down and needs to be changed with only one reserves race in the future and the draft rider placed at #7 only. Heat 5 can often be an easy 5-1 for the home team as it usually features the home teams top two riders against the weakest heat leader and a second string that is coming out for his first ride. Then heat 6 is the opposite and if a tactical is used a one sided match can suddenly look close after a 1-8 pulls back 7 points. The reserves, especially if one is of a higher standard, should be tested more and ride against better riders more frequentlly and this would hopefully stop very good reserves top scoring with 9-10 points while world class riders are getting 6-8 during their four programmed rides. Should the Elite League have to scale down due to some riders cutting back on meetings here, then riders like Jason Garrity, Kyle Newman etc should be able to hold down a steady job at #2 even and along with two reserves, it would create a better learning curve for these riders and a more equal standard of races. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 One glance at the PL tells yoy everything that is wrong. Last week saw matches with reserve heats including: Jan Graversen Rafal Konopka Matej Kus Alex Edberg Roland Benko Zdenek Simota Max Dilger Nicki Barrett Taylor Poole Cameron Heeps Todd Kurtz Aaron Fox That's where most of these lads should be learning their trade. Put David Howe in there & that's Stevebrum's GPs sorted for next year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 Put David Howe in there & that's Stevebrum's GPs sorted for next year! Don't forget Nicolai Klindt too ...... but he could be in the GP's next season !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 That's a very blinkered view. You have been involved in numerous discussions surrounding the shenanigans and corruption in the EL. Not saying it doesn't go on in other leagues but repeat, I would be apprehensive boarding a sinking ship. Birmingham tried it when desperation came calling after Frost/Sadhugate. Its a blinkered view to not see its a SPEEDWAY sinking ship. No one league is any more responsible. Put David Howe in there & that's Stevebrum's GPs sorted for next year! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 The PL should be the testing ground for all our young British riders we have far to many overseas riders racing, in it is more like a multi nation league with just a few young Bitish riders, it seems that the promoters are to scared to give the lads a chance and would rather pay the travel cost for overseas riders that only come for a few weeks the disapear in a puff off exhaust smoke. I say keep the Young British lads in the Elite league I have seen some good racing from them this season, but the way it has been implatmented is very poor. It should have been riders over 21 at No 6 and the No 7 place to the younger lads. But you still have this same problem with the likes of Newman, Garritty etc who should have been riding at No 2 not at reserve. After 4 or 5 races this year, it should have been seen that these lads where a class above, and should have been moved up to a No2 place as it has made it hard for the teams who ride against them to have fair advantage. But most of all I would like to see the PL using more British riders than it does now. You only have to go through the teams to see how many young NL lads are in there and I am not including the riders who ride in the EL doubling up, I know they have to earn a living, But for some of these riders they take it to far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 Its a blinkered view to not see its a SPEEDWAY sinking ship. No one league is any more responsible. Not according to your last post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 The young Swede at Glasgow seems to have been replaced by r/r without riding a meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 The young Swede at Glasgow seems to have been replaced by r/r without riding a meeting.Palovara? He's ridden about 6 meetings, badly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 Palovara? He's ridden about 6 meetings, badly. Ok I've been away & obviously missed them then:-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 Ok I've been away & obviously missed them then:-) It would be very easy to miss them. I think he's beat 2 opponents in them 6 meetings - both in 1 race But again, they sign crap like that but dumped Joe Jacobs after a reasonable, if not great first season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noggin Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 Palovara? He's ridden about 6 meetings, badly. Perhaps his name should be Palava. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Not according to your last post. Namely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 (edited) IF the PL cared about the future of British Speedway they would do the right thing. If anything they are the most stubborn league to not want to change which probably shows where the issues lie. Its a blinkered view to not see its a SPEEDWAY sinking ship. No one league is any more responsible. Namely? Edited September 9, 2014 by Hodgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Your point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Your point? Thought it was quite clear. Forget it, let's move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Thought it was quite clear. Forget it, let's move on. Correct, i made my point clear. So no idea why your were questioning it. Like you say move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruiser McHuge Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 I don't like the system..there is too much unevenness with the riders ability and teams with strong FTR riders have far too much of an advantage......and I don't even feel the likes of Garrity have even ridden proper Elite League this season....for a quality rider there are too many easy heats and good scores actually mask which riders they have actually beaten to get that score....good scores don't always mean good learning...the better riders are learning much more in the Premier League where they are facing much tougher heats ...to me the fast track system doesn't do much to actually bring on a rider....good riders will progress anyway but the fast track system just allows a false sense of security making some riders appear much better than they actually are and that's no way to progress internationally if that's the real long term aim 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Perhaps Garrity, Kerr, Newman, Blackbird, Worrall etc haven't learned much but I'd suggest that Sarjeant, Rose, Clegg, Morley and Greaves most certainly have. And I'd much rather see these types of riders at reserve in the EL than some of the foreign gash who have filled those spots in recent seasons. The FTR scheme certainly isnt perfect and it needs tweaking but its absolutely been a step in the right direction. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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