dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted September 6, 2014 Report Share Posted September 6, 2014 Considering Steve Worrall is a Belle Vue asset, I hardly think even our promotion would be stupid enough not to claim him for 2015. It would be nice to have Nielsen as well,.cant see Stevie being in the FTR list next year unless the criteria changes significantly - he is averaging over 8 in the PL after all. Top ranked this year was Kerr at 6.09. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted September 6, 2014 Report Share Posted September 6, 2014 Considering Steve Worrall is a Belle Vue asset, I hardly think even our promotion would be stupid enough not to claim him for 2015. It would be nice to have Nielsen as well,. Why. Nielsens been dissapointing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P T Preece Posted September 6, 2014 Report Share Posted September 6, 2014 I agree with some of it, but feel that some of the riders have been treated badly, one reserve gets 5 rides per meeting and another gets three. I feel it should be set in stone that they all get the rides that are programmed, that way it would be a more level playing field. Saying that some of the riders have come on very well and excelled from the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted September 6, 2014 Report Share Posted September 6, 2014 cant see Stevie being in the FTR list next year unless the criteria changes significantly - he is averaging over 8 in the PL after all. Top ranked this year was Kerr at 6.09. I'd hope the criteria will be changed. The system will work a lot better with the like of Birks, Roynon, Auty and others added. Makes it more competitive for the likes of Garrity and Worrall some of the reserve races have been too easy for them. Overall it's worked well as some have improved which is what it's all about. A few tweaks needed for next season to make it more competitive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted September 6, 2014 Report Share Posted September 6, 2014 (edited) I agree. Keep the number 6 berth for the `successes` - and include the 3 above mentioned. The only difference to this year would be those riders get a `true` EL average and can be elevated into the main team if there averages increases above the 1-5. Number 7`s should be all about the TRUE FTR. Less rigidity on the draft `list`for these riders. Hopefully the PL will come on board and all the leagues can work in harmony. OK that last bit was wishful thinking. Sure I have read that the PL promoters didn't want anything to do with ftr? Why?The main thing is keeping the Brits in the teams, u can't have a protected position in the main body so they have to be kept at reserve, allow the number six to take rides of the main body riders if necessary for 2015, something else to help progression? Edited September 6, 2014 by Trees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted September 6, 2014 Report Share Posted September 6, 2014 Sure I have read that the PL promoters didn't want anything to do with ftr? Why? The main thing is keeping the Brits in the teams, u can't have a protected position in the main body so they have to be kept at reserve, allow the number six to take rides of the main body riders if necessary for 2015, something else to help progression? Why? Because they are selfish and only look after their own interests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven101 Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 I reckon they should have a good selection of 18 british youngsters from 18 19 up to 25 Give them all a elite average and they should be allowed to progress into the main team. But promotors should only be able to replace them if injured otherwise they have to stick with them all season. Also have a small list of riders available to guest if they are injured but not being replaced. Elite league clubs should have priority over PL for the riders and then PL priority over NL. Bit long winded but what do you think 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 Why? Because they are selfish and only look after their own interests. I don't see it like that. Would you vote to board a sinking ship. Not really worked very well for Birmingham and Eastbourne. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 I don't see it like that. Would you vote to board a sinking ship. Not really worked very well for Birmingham and Eastbourne. Its voting to secure the future of the British youngsters. The NL is just as much of a joke with riders missing and RR. PL clubs are struggling to to make ends meet. This isn't an EL issue. Its a Speedway issue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noggin Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 Personally I'd like to see the 2 Brits at reserve remain, but #6 should be a more experienced one like Roynon, Birks, Auty who have been frozen out + 2014's successes kerr Garrity Newman Worrall etc, #7 taken from the rest, also maybe team build averages could cover your 1-6 with the chance that the better #6 will progress into main body of the team. Obviously the race format will need a slight tweak, But after the promotors piss up, they will balls things up as per usual, self interest will reign and 2015 will see the EL being a farce again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 One glance at the PL tells yoy everything that is wrong. Last week saw matches with reserve heats including: Jan Graversen Rafal Konopka Matej Kus Alex Edberg Roland Benko Zdenek Simota Max Dilger Nicki Barrett Taylor Poole Cameron Heeps Todd Kurtz Aaron Fox That's where most of these lads should be learning their trade. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 One glance at the PL tells yoy everything that is wrong. Last week saw matches with reserve heats including: Jan Graversen Rafal Konopka Matej Kus Alex Edberg Roland Benko Zdenek Simota Max Dilger Nicki Barrett Taylor Poole Cameron Heeps Todd Kurtz Aaron Fox That's where most of these lads should be learning their trade. Spot on the biggest crime is both leagues cannot work together what a joke. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 Spot on. These foreign reserves' averages should never be able to drop below the assessed figure they come in on, very few would end up at reserve that way and only the good ones would be retained the following year. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Nick Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 Spot on. Min 6pt avg for non United (for now) Kingdom riders, those avgs not to drop for team building purposes. I would gon1 step further and say if they haven't achieved tose avgs in 2 seasons then they don't come back. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 Its voting to secure the future of the British youngsters. The NL is just as much of a joke with riders missing and RR. PL clubs are struggling to to make ends meet. This isn't an EL issue. Its a Speedway issue. I agree it should have been used in the PL, 2 Brits at reserve would suffice. All I'm saying is after the balls up they've made of the EL I can understand the apprehension / reluctance to go with their idea. Is that really what the EL wanted, where would their cost saving come from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 One glance at the PL tells yoy everything that is wrong. Last week saw matches with reserve heats including: Jan Graversen Rafal Konopka Matej Kus Alex Edberg Roland Benko Zdenek Simota Max Dilger Nicki Barrett Taylor Poole Cameron Heeps Todd Kurtz Aaron Fox That's where most of these lads should be learning their trade. I totally get what you are saying but its not easy to control From my club Ipswich heeps started at number 2 and Manzares at 4. We had 2 Brits at reserve in Hawkins and Ellis. Gino has been a revelation but if he wasnt we could have had Manzares and Heeps at reserve both non brits. Are we supposed to have non brits through the team as because during a season a young brit can improve past a foreigner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 If that happens Gavan then fair enough, as long as the foreign rider's average doesn't go below what they came in on. Of course if that's the case and they are underperforming by quite a way they are likely to be replaced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 (edited) One glance at the PL tells yoy everything that is wrong. Last week saw matches with reserve heats including: Jan Graversen Rafal Konopka Matej Kus Alex Edberg Roland Benko Zdenek Simota Max Dilger Nicki Barrett Taylor Poole Cameron Heeps Todd Kurtz Aaron Fox That's where most of these lads should be learning their trade. Todd Kurtz is British parentage. I believe Edited September 8, 2014 by TMW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 Todd Kurtz is British parentage. I believe Can't be that British! His brother certainly wasnt British enough to start on a 3 Plus his twitter bio says, "Aussie Speedway Rider from Cowra NSW." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 (edited) Can't be that British! His brother certainly wasnt British enough to start on a 3 Plus his twitter bio says, "Aussie Speedway Rider from Cowra NSW." Wasn't there a problem the year Newport closed as Todd entered the Aussie U21 and not the British so he wasn't allowed to ride for the Hornets that Year. I'm not sure where the Brit bit comes from and also Brady was to sign for Cradley/Somerset as 3.00 but for his Danish league experience he couldn't and Somerset had to drop Morris I think to fit Brady in Edited September 8, 2014 by TMW 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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