LagutaRacingFan Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 But there are 15 Grand Prix riders. Should they not be the top 15 in the world? Or are you saying that only the top eight should be in the Grand Prix? On what criteria do you select the other seven? Lindgren isn't in the Top 15 in the world, I can name 7 riders who are outside the Top 8 of the GP's who are all better than Frederik Lindgren. Darcy Ward Emil Sayfudtinov Grigory Laguta Niels Kristian Iversen Patrk Dudek Michael Jepsen Jensen Adrien Miedzinski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 (edited) But there are 15 Grand Prix riders. Should they not be the top 15 in the world? Or are you saying that only the top eight should be in the Grand Prix? On what criteria do you select the other seven? How do you define the 15 best riders in the world? How do you know that the riders placed 9 or worse in the total standings are better then those currently outside the Grand Prix series? You cannot possible know until the latter too have been awarded a wild card to the GP-series. How do you know that THJ would do worse then Freddie in a full season in the GP-series? As for criterias, one criteria is how many wild card that rider have received before and the more wild card picks the further down the pecking order the rider should be. I think it's 5 wc now for Freddie, another criteria is performance in the speedway world cup. Freddie boycotted the SWC. If he can't bother to do the SWC he should not be considered for a SGP pick either (unless the rider were injured). Then we can look at what the rider have achieved in the SGP; how many seasons in the SGP, how many times the rider have finished top 8. Which means amount of top 8 finishes in relation to number of seasons in the SGP. Then no rider should be handed a wild card for two years in a row, unless that riders have suffered long time injuries resulting in that rider Imo a rider have to take the chances he is given, a rider should not have unlimited amount of wild cards. 5 is 1 or 2 too many. What are your motivation to give Freddie another wild card? Edited October 3, 2014 by Ghostwalker 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 Lindgren isn't in the Top 15 in the world, I can name 7 riders who are outside the Top 8 of the GP's who are all better than Frederik Lindgren. Darcy Ward Emil Sayfudtinov Grigory Laguta Niels Kristian Iversen Patrk Dudek Michael Jepsen Jensen Adrien Miedzinski the top 4 you quoted are better but your top 3 either don't want to ride or should be banned. Your talking out if your arse regarding the other 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 I don't see how you can justify Kildemand over Jepsen Jensen. Kildemand's caareer achievements don't hold a candle to MJJ's and he's 3 years older. He has been better this year results show that your man is good but PK has that bit of devil in him an edge to him a massive advantage over MJJ.if he keeps working hard he PK will be a player on the world stage for a number of years in a way progress wise he reminds me of PUK.Both have had setbacks but it has held them in great stead experience is vital. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 I don't see how you can justify Kildemand over Jepsen Jensen. Kildemand's caareer achievements don't hold a candle to MJJ's and he's 3 years older. It's a reflection on MJJ's last two GP appearances, from which he has only garnered 11 points in total. Kildemand has two GP finals in two attempts this year plus a WTC gold medal. A good performance from MJJ in Torun and the pendulem might swing again.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 MJJ is the classic example of a rider who thinks and acts as though he is the best - but rarely delivers it in even the most mundane of meetings. PK is an exciting and entertaining rider who usually performs at the highest level! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 But there are 15 Grand Prix riders. Should they not be the top 15 in the world? Or are you saying that only the top eight should be in the Grand Prix? On what criteria do you select the other seven? Top 15 in the world would be ideal, but it will never happen because a) I think most agree that there needs to be some qualification system which would allow a "surprise packet" to make the series via a string of excellent performances and there needs to be at least some geographical spread of riders . If I could choose a line up of 15 it would look something like: Tai, Hancock, Pedersen, NKI, Kildermand, Hampel, KK, Piotr Pawlicki, Emil, G Laguta, Vaculik, Zagar, Ward, Holder, AJ/THJ - but we won't see a lin up as stong as that. How do you define the 15 best riders in the world? There are various ranking systems that could be used to determine the top 15. I have a method, and so does a bloke "Dolgin" who analyses every meeting raced over a two year period. Neither system is perfect, but we agree on 11 out of the top 15 - Greg, Tai, Emil, Ward, NKI, KK Pedersen, Zmarzlik, Doyle, Vaculik and Kolodziej. I have Holder, Kildermand, Zagar and Hampel as the others in my top 15, whereas he has G Laguta, Piotr Pawlicki, AJ and Protasewicz. Freddie is 28th on my list and 33rd on Dolgin's, so nowhere near the top 15 in either system - agree no way should he get a wildcard for next year. Based on the current system, I think the ideal scenario is that Holder, Hampel and AJ make the top 8, and wildcards go to Emil, Ward, NKi and Kildermand. With two of THJ, Zmarzlik, Piotr Pawlicki and Vaculik to take the places of Ward and Emil if they are unavailable for the series (I've assumed G Laguta is still not interested). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 Top 15 in the world would be ideal, but it will never happen because a) I think most agree that there needs to be some qualification system which would allow a "surprise packet" to make the series via a string of excellent performances and there needs to be at least some geographical spread of riders . If I could choose a line up of 15 it would look something like: Tai, Hancock, Pedersen, NKI, Kildermand, Hampel, KK, Piotr Pawlicki, Emil, G Laguta, Vaculik, Zagar, Ward, Holder, AJ/THJ - but we won't see a lin up as stong as that. There are various ranking systems that could be used to determine the top 15. I have a method, and so does a bloke "Dolgin" who analyses every meeting raced over a two year period. Neither system is perfect, but we agree on 11 out of the top 15 - Greg, Tai, Emil, Ward, NKI, KK Pedersen, Zmarzlik, Doyle, Vaculik and Kolodziej. I have Holder, Kildermand, Zagar and Hampel as the others in my top 15, whereas he has G Laguta, Piotr Pawlicki, AJ and Protasewicz. Freddie is 28th on my list and 33rd on Dolgin's, so nowhere near the top 15 in either system - agree no way should he get a wildcard for next year. Based on the current system, I think the ideal scenario is that Holder, Hampel and AJ make the top 8, and wildcards go to Emil, Ward, NKi and Kildermand. With two of THJ, Zmarzlik, Piotr Pawlicki and Vaculik to take the places of Ward and Emil if they are unavailable for the series (I've assumed G Laguta is still not interested). NEITHER is Emil unfortunately Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 What about Vaculik? I recall last season him saying he wanted a few seasons away from the GPS, and he didn't enter the qualifiers, but his form this season has been excellent. Would he take a wildcard if offered, and what are the chances of that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 What about Vaculik? I recall last season him saying he wanted a few seasons away from the GPS, and he didn't enter the qualifiers, but his form this season has been excellent. Would he take a wildcard if offered, and what are the chances of that? VERY slim... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 ok Phil - what do you think the chances are that BSI would offer a wildcard slot to a young Pole (Zmarzllck/Pawlicki) if there are already three qualified Poles (KK Hampel and Magic)? If Wars is ruled out, and EMil/Laguta/Vaculik are not interested, that leaves: NKI as nailed on. a swede quite likely. Kildemand/MJJ very probable. Another Pole would likely be a stronger option than another swede, there would surely be no way they would give three Danish wildcards, and surely the poles make more sense (both on form, potential and commercial reality) than someone like Batchelor. Can't think of any other viable options? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 (edited) Looks to me as though BSI ought to look at streamlining their series, they may get all the best guys enter then!? #overload! Edited October 4, 2014 by Trees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 (edited) ok Phil - what do you think the chances are that BSI would offer a wildcard slot to a young Pole (Zmarzllck/Pawlicki) if there are already three qualified Poles (KK Hampel and Magic)? If Wars is ruled out, and EMil/Laguta/Vaculik are not interested, that leaves: NKI as nailed on. a swede quite likely. Kildemand/MJJ very probable. Another Pole would likely be a stronger option than another swede, there would surely be no way they would give three Danish wildcards, and surely the poles make more sense (both on form, potential and commercial reality) than someone like Batchelor. Can't think of any other viable options? ONLY Pole likely to get a wild card, if required, is Hampel but cannot see him finishing outside of top eight now. Torun should suit him.That would suffice for Polish riders. Biggest problem for BSI/FIM will be if Batchelor gets an automatic spot at the expense of one Swede. Would then need two wild cards for Swedes... Jonsson and Jonasson would be my guess. With Iversen assured of one, a third Dane might get the nod as well. If Batchelor just misses out in the top eight to a Swede he might get a pick but the Joker in the pack would then be Ward. Looks to me as though BSI ought to look at streamlining their series, they may get all the best guys enter then!? #overload! WON'T happen and only one rider (Sayfutdinov) wants to stay on the outside. Edited October 4, 2014 by PHILIPRISING Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcelle Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 Ward Emil Kildemand and PUK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 Phil,if batch misses out on a top 8 what do you reckon his chances of a pick are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike.Butler Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 (edited) surely the prestige of being the current ELRC champion should mean an automatic pick? Edited October 4, 2014 by Mike.Butler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 Phil,if batch misses out on a top 8 what do you reckon his chances of a pick are HAVING a GP in Australia certainly won't harm his chances Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Beevers Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 HAVING a GP in Australia certainly won't harm his chances IMO I wouldn't pick Troy unless he were to make the top 8 outright. The reason being is actually very similar to Martin Smolinski. Both failed to get into the GP challenge through qualifying and both have had one excellent GP. If your going on country criteria I would have thought with Doyle, Holder and possibly Ward there maybe Smolinski would have more chance being the lonely German. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 Bachelor is garbage, half the go field is out injured and he still can't get into the top 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 Bachelor is garbage, half the go field is out injured and he still can't get into the top 8 Don't think Batchelor is garbage but there is some merit that if you can't get in the top 8 this year with Ward and Iversen missing you probably don't deserve a pick ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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