E I Addio Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 it seems to me that the underling factor here is sky, we dont seem to get this happening at other meeetings its obvious if they werent there it would have been called once the the deluge had happened, managers/promoters from any club are going to want it to go their way when asked in front of the cameras, thats obvious, but if the cameras were not there the ref would have come down to speak with the managers and captains and a decision made jointly. as we have seen at BV last year and at swindon this year as with last night it seems with sky involved, we have a meeting coordinator who doesnt appear to do much other than relay what sky tells him to the ref, (why do we need one just for tv) is when the 10 heats come into play. If only certain other posters were able do display that insight instead of some of the daft comments we have seen on this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Ultimately its up to the referee when a meeting is called off. The referee is supposed to consult the team captains. Where was the Poole captain when all this was going on.? He had been out before Watts race.. Down the Pub ... 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 And he is right it was a shambles,the meeting should have been called off after the downpour.Because you can bet your life if sky had not been there it would have been.When riders cant see after the first bend and throwing their goggles off ala Bridger does that not tell you something. Lakeside got the points far enough i have no problem with that that's the rules now,but what i do have a problem with is Sky almost insisting they carry on.Of course Middlo is going to whinge he was losing ALL managers and captains are the same,you keep going on about Belle Vue but what about the Swindon meeting earlier in the season,Rosco and Batchelor coudn't get it called off quickly enough because Swindon were winning but the same two had a whinge a couple of weeks before against Coventry wait for it because they were losing.But you never mention that meeting do you,i wonder why,oh hang on i didn't involve Poole before you accuse go back over the thread on the Coventry match and i had a huge whinge about Batchelor! The Coventry match could have continued. This one should have been called off You know what annoys me about last night.............the fact that you guys are going on about Poole setting a precedent at Belle Vue and Lakeside playing Poole at their own game but there is a big difference.............the meeting at Belle Vue last year should never have gone ahead............it only did because Sky and the referee insisted it did.........you could see no one wanted to ride it............ Last night (I was at work til 8 so got in as it was starting to rain there) and the meeting at Coventry the week before goes to show its all what Sky want and stuff the paying public.............. Its time promoters actually took notice of what the fans want rather than just going ahead and running/continuing meetings when as last night proved it was a huge health and safety risk to do so......... Oh and for the record as the ref was Dan Holt and he has shown he is totally anti Poole on Sky in the past its no wonder it carried on............ RP The meeting at Lakeside should have been called off. people are more annoyed with the hypocrisy of Middlo then anything else 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirateandi Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 One thing for sure is how dare the Aussies call us whingeing pomms after last nights debacle after watching Davey watts performance 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 (edited) I believe it is correct - but not because Lakeside were leading at the time, its because Lakeside are the HOME team!! Its why BV had the call last year (Captain,Magnus Zetterstrom!) and why Coventry wanted to carry on and Swindon didn't 2 weeks ago!! Actually I am wrong with the above statement as is poster SCB with his!!! The Speedway Control Bureau rule states: 15.11 After Heat 10 in an official Team fixture, only the Team that is losing may request a track inspection, or seek abandonment of the Meeting. So it was the Belle Vue call last season and should have been Swindon's decision 2 weeks ago. It should also have been up to Poole last night!! Maybe they all need to recheck the rules - referees, riders, managers, promoters and Sky!!! Edited September 2, 2014 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotron Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Davey Watt is just a <swearing removed> I was talking to Vaclav on a social media site the other day he send me a photo of a meeting he was involved in the other day and it was a quagmire they still rode it. Also I remember some meetings at Bradford when I was a Dukes supporter and witnessed some real wet meetings that the would call off in a heartbeat today, I used to remember at Poole they used to just get the sawdust in and get on with it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wackie Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Watt has always been the same. Whines like a bitch at the sight of a wet track, his antics are actually more entertaining than the racing at Lakeside. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirateandi Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Also as Poole are there on Friday couldn't it have been agreed to call it off last night after the heavens opened and to agree Fridays meeting be a double header or a single match on double points for the result ! Surely this would've been fairer and far more understandable for the novice speedway fan to understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudflaps Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Last night saw a gross miscalculation by agent Watt! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Actually I am wrong with the above statement as is poster SCB with his!!! The Speedway Control Bureau rule states: 15.11 After Heat 10 in an official Team fixture, only the Team that is losing may request a track inspection, or seek abandonment of the Meeting. So it was the Belle Vue call last season and should have been Swindon's decision 2 weeks ago. It should also have been up to Poole last night!! Maybe they all need to recheck the rules - referees, riders, managers, promoters and Sky!!! Better let Middlo know, he seemed to think it was Lakeside`s call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wackie Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Actually I am wrong with the above statement as is poster SCB with his!!! The Speedway Control Bureau rule states: 15.11 After Heat 10 in an official Team fixture, only the Team that is losing may request a track inspection, or seek abandonment of the Meeting. So it was the Belle Vue call last season and should have been Swindon's decision 2 weeks ago. It should also have been up to Poole last night!! Maybe they all need to recheck the rules - referees, riders, managers, promoters and Sky!!! That actually is right, it is the team who are losing who can request a track inspection after heat 10. Dumb & dumber who were commentating got it wrong as they stated it was the team who were leading at the time. In which case why was Watt so instrumental in the abandonment yesterday? The Poole riders were at the tapes ready to race heat 11, so obviously although they weren't happy with the track initially after the downpour and wanted it called off before the result could stand they seemed happy enough to continue past heat 10. Was a complete farce really, nobody seems to know who called the abandonment - Sky, Ref, Watt, Poole? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotron Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Don't think SKY would of called it, so your telling me no one knows who called this farce off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Don't think SKY would of called it, so your telling me no one knows who called this farce off? Its obvious Lakeside did cause they had the points in the bag. Middlo even said it was there call (not according to the rules tho!) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waco Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Sounds like lack of knowledge of the rules ,actually caused a breach of the rules,..Unbelievable cock up.. How much more will the speedway public put up with ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 (edited) It definitely seems that speedway is a results driven business right. As fans come out on a weekly basis now, with gripes about how they are being treated by speedway promoters, the men in charge of running the sport are taking it for granted that the last few diehards will always show up and pay their programme - even for a three-week out-of-date programme and an even more out of date product they are paying to see. Last night proved, it was - get the match on, take the punters' cash, call it off when the result could stand, and everyone would be happy. Fans wouldn't notice. Poole (and Mr Middleditch) just didn't seem interested in whether the match reached its conclusion. They are Play-Off bound and couldn't have cared less. The job is done for them, they could get home to their beds early and return back to Lakeside four days on, expecting a crowd to turn up - for a match that really, going on last night, doesn't mean a thing. And they want crowds to improve! I got fed up wth supporting a failed product many moons ago. The only people who really care about it right now, are the men with baseball caps on and a pen and clipboard. That's the team managers. To them, it's the Play-Off their season is angled towards. What comes before it, well, is just manipulated into getting their charges into the top four. Last night's efforts to get sawdust down and the match to reach some sort of conclusion was simply because, I feel, SKY are putting pressure on about what they are getting for their cash. Unlike loyal fans, what's left of that brigade, SKY must be getting jaundiced, especially at the problems they've had with trying to portray themselves as a professional outfit for professional sports. Can't believe, myself, they have stuck with us for so long. Edited September 2, 2014 by moxey63 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Ultimately its up to the referee when a meeting is called off. The referee is supposed to consult the team captains. Where was the Poole captain when all this was going on.? He had been out before Watts race.. No, Belle Vue didn't want to even start that meeting. Nothing to do with the referee when it is a Sky meeting. We checked this after the Belle Vue farce last season and any decision on abandonment is solely down to the Meeting steward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Brown Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Sounds like lack of knowledge of the rules ,actually caused a breach of the rules,..Unbelievable cock up.. How much more will the speedway public put up with ?? What the world's best Team Manager didn't know the rules ? I am sure that is an error and it was the rule book that was confused really 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storming Norman Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 I felt very sorry for the fans who paid for 15 heats but only got 10. Presumably Lakeside will save 33% of wages or a bit less if Watt is on a guarantee and had no incentive to continue racing. When Danny King and Lewis Bridger both mentioned how much rain the track had taken at lunchtime I rechecked the wording of the 15:45 update on the Lakeside web site of 'Very light drizzle earlier at the track'. Why would a lot of rain be described as very light drizzle? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 The funny thing is with the threat of rain which was forecast to arrive at 8pm on every site i went on, before the meeting starting and again at 7.45 and at 8pm when you could see black clouds arriving at the stadium they decided to water the track,whilst i realise this may not have made a difference due to the heavy nature of the rain it did seem a little strange at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 I felt very sorry for the fans who paid for 15 heats but only got 10. Presumably Lakeside will save 33% of wages or a bit less if Watt is on a guarantee and had no incentive to continue racing. When Danny King and Lewis Bridger both mentioned how much rain the track had taken at lunchtime I rechecked the wording of the 15:45 update on the Lakeside web site of 'Very light drizzle earlier at the track'. Why would a lot of rain be described as very light drizzle? Not sure how long you have been following the sport Norman but tracks have always been and probably always will be shall we say "extremely economical" with the truth when it comes to the weather on race days, most of the time they will not admit to any rain unless its actually been rained off, this goes back to even before the internet was invented in the days where the only source of info was via a telephone and more often than not a land line rather than a mobile phone. Best way is to see what others are saying, keep an eye on the radar if you have access to one via the many apps, and a make judgement call based on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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