Grachan Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Poole should have said they would continue, and gone out on their own. Bet Lakeside would have been quick to continue then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Â At the end of the day, each individual team is going to try and get themselves a result. The question is how can an individual promotion or management be so influential in getting a meeting called off. Â This HAS to be the judgement of the referee and nobody else. It seemed to me that it was purely down to the side that had a vested interest in the score at that time that last night's meeting was called off. Had they run heat 11 and Poole had scored a 5-1 the Lakeside would have lost a point. The riders were there and ready to go. Â It looked like it was the decision of Davy Watt to call that match off (probably at the behest of his team manager/promoter). How can that be allowed? Â Was one individual; or promotion so influential though ? Think it through. Do you really think Sky are going to show their guys putting their spoke in ? They made the mistake last year of the mics picking up Ronnir Russl telling Micky Dyer not to fall off but generally to cameras don't show what Sky are doing. Poole should have said they would continue, and gone out on their own. Bet Lakeside would have been quick to continue then. Â Â Don't be daft Mick Bates made the decision. Once the decisions made the meeting is off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 This meeting had everything,,,,,,, that is wrong with EL Speedway. No wonder people are leaving the sport in droves. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icescot Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 complete farce should have stopped when rain came on but having restarted could have gone beyond heat 10. If heat 10 "result stands " is to carry on maybe a difference is needed in points awarded for a heat 10 type win compared to full meeting of 15 heats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruckerroo Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 I despair at the top flite speedway in England, it's just being run into the ground. How many more matches like the last coupleon sky can people suffer, the endless rule manipulation, poor track prep, endless missing riders, foreign imports that come and go as they please , double downers . Â What a festering , ulcerous fetid mess uk speedway is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 (edited) This sport was once called SPEEDWAY, Now it's just called 'TAKE THE PISS OUT OF THE FANS' Â Diabolical demonstration of inept decision making. Everything that is wrong with our sport, was on show last night... Edited September 2, 2014 by GRW123 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 you only have to look at the number of meetings now that end due to curfew or abandoned after Ht 10 to realise the fans mean sod all to Speedway Promoters .I keep saying it and will say it again if this was an individual meeting with money at stake for the riders they would have finished the meeting whether there was "racing" or "just going round". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim3751 Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Â Lakeside got the points far enough i have no problem with that that's the rules now,but what i do have a problem with is Sky almost insisting they carry on. I don't think SKY have say anything. They don't have to. Speedway needs the money. All they do is be there and that's enough to persuade the weaker parties to cave in. And by that I mean promoters managers referees and coordiators - call them what you like. Just listen to the questions put to the riders and managers. All they need is a nod of agreement and little more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewer Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 it seems to me that the underling factor here is sky, we dont seem to get this happening at other meeetings its obvious if they werent there it would have been called once the the deluge had happened, managers/promoters from any club are going to want it to go their way when asked in front of the cameras, thats obvious, but if the cameras were not there the ref would have come down to speak with the managers and captains and a decision made jointly. as we have seen at BV last year and at swindon this year as with last night it seems with sky involved, we have a meeting coordinator who doesnt appear to do much other than relay what sky tells him to the ref, (why do we need one just for tv) is when the 10 heats come into play. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 After all the mickey taking last night, and boy did I enjoy seeing Karma giving Dorset a visit  A serious question - has Sky's involvement honestly been good for speedway?  Crowds have gone down. Rules have been changed to suit them. Too many outside influences affecting decisions. TV audiences see empty terraces Former regulars now get their fix from TV (hold my hands up to that one) Debacles like last night are shown to the world - would you go as a newbie after seeing that on TV.  Just asking. It should have been but The BSPA didn't use what they have. It's terrible for the sport now as people can see on TV what a complete mess it is. It actually promotes how crap it is - not the intended vision. Saturdays GP, that's how it's done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Was one individual; or promotion so influential though ? Think it through. Do you really think Sky are going to show their guys putting their spoke in ? They made the mistake last year of the mics picking up Ronnir Russl telling Micky Dyer not to fall off but generally to cameras don't show what Sky are doing. Â Â Â Don't be daft Mick Bates made the decision. Once the decisions made the meeting is off. But Mick Bates was influenced by Davey Watt who was seen to be angrily remonstrating with him. One thing though , Middlo said it was up to Lakeside when it was to be called off. Is this correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyb Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 I couldn't have put it better myself Completely agree. I stopped going after it was obvious that with double headers at the EoES for the next three weeks and no chance of running thirty heats before the curfew, they were going to run the second match upto heat ten and that's what happened. I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to run both matches up to heat ten, but rules!! wouldn't allow it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wackie Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 But Mick Bates was influenced by Davey Watt who was seen to be angrily remonstrating with him. One thing though , Middlo said it was up to Lakeside when it was to be called off. Is this correct? Â From what I can make out it's the team who are leading after heat 10 who have the option to call it off, which IMO isn't right or fair. It should be in consultation with both teams but at the discretion of the ref. Â All 4 riders were up at tapes last night ready to start heat 11. It was Davey Watt whinging that but a stop to the meeting, but that was to be expected, he doesn't do wet tracks! Â Â Â Having just watched the meeting on it is clear that Middlo's number one concern is rider safety, the problem is that he isn't forceful enough in making the point. Â We saw it last season at Belle Vue and last night was pretty much the same. Â Maybe it's the slightly apologetic way he suggests that rider safety is the most important consideration, it's almost as though he is embarrassed to say it. The result is last season riders lives were put a risk and the same last night. Â Come on Middlo, MAN UP! Â Which is fine, rider safety is paramount. But it's also so hypocritical when you look back at the events at BV last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 After all the mickey taking last night, and boy did I enjoy seeing Karma giving Dorset a visit  A serious question - has Sky's involvement honestly been good for speedway?  Crowds have gone down. Rules have been changed to suit them. Too many outside influences affecting decisions. TV audiences see empty terraces Former regulars now get their fix from TV (hold my hands up to that one) Debacles like last night are shown to the world - would you go as a newbie after seeing that on TV.  Just asking. 100% correct, m'am! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Perhaps he realised belle vue shouldnt have happened either but if that is the case he should say so  Absolutely. However the fact he is whining about the call off suggests he is the huge hypocrite that he is coming across as.   You know what annoys me about last night.............the fact that you guys are going on about Poole setting a precedent at Belle Vue and Lakeside playing Poole at their own game but there is a big difference  There is NO difference. And the precedent WAS set. It still stinks that promotions do it. But lets remember who set the ball rolling. And no it isn't anti Poole, the facts show different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 But Mick Bates was influenced by Davey Watt who was seen to be angrily remonstrating with him. One thing though , Middlo said it was up to Lakeside when it was to be called off. Is this correct? Â I believe it is correct - but not because Lakeside were leading at the time, its because Lakeside are the HOME team!! Â Its why BV had the call last year (Captain,Magnus Zetterstrom!) and why Coventry wanted to carry on and Swindon didn't 2 weeks ago!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 But Mick Bates was influenced by Davey Watt who was seen to be angrily remonstrating with him. One thing though , Middlo said it was up to Lakeside when it was to be called off. Is this correct? Â Â Ultimately its up to the referee when a meeting is called off. The referee is supposed to consult the team captains. Where was the Poole captain when all this was going on.? He had been out before Watts race.. Â I believe it is correct - but not because Lakeside were leading at the time, its because Lakeside are the HOME team!! Â Its why BV had the call last year (Captain,Magnus Zetterstrom!) and why Coventry wanted to carry on and Swindon didn't 2 weeks ago!! Â Â No, Belle Vue didn't want to even start that meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Start of the season meetings rained off for rider safety, end of the season.....oh carry on we need to complete the fixture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R87 Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Haven't seen any "action" from this meeting, but by all accounts its yet another example of British Speedway grabbing a great big gun and proceeding to blast its own foot off. And better still, let's do it on live TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Â I believe it is correct - but not because Lakeside were leading at the time, its because Lakeside are the HOME team!! Â Its why BV had the call last year (Captain,Magnus Zetterstrom!) and why Coventry wanted to carry on and Swindon didn't 2 weeks ago!! No. The rule is after heat 10 the winning team can get it called off (technically, they can ask for a track inspection). Â Just need referees to grow a pair! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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