tompoulter Posted August 27, 2014 Report Share Posted August 27, 2014 Hi guys, I had a thought the other day about PJR engines etc, and I was just contemplating why more EL and PL riders don't use them. They are clearly very good engines as you only have to look at who uses them to see; Manzares, Bridger, Holder, Woffinden, Schlien, Ward and more. I'm not taking anything away from these guys they're all very very talented riders and could all do what they do without these engines undoubtedly. But as anyone who knows anything about the mechanical side to speedway will know, the more funding you have for equipment in most cases the more consistent and better rider you will be. (Which I don't agree with I don't like how speedway is all about money these days, people with less funding are hardly getting a chance!) Take Manzares as an example, this season is his first in Europe and at some tracks he's never been to before he's been known to score double figures! Not taking anything away from him he is an extremely talented rider, but your engine and equipment obviously plays a big part in your riding. I am aware that these engines are very expensive and a lot of riders aren't able to afford them, but some are able to and they choose elsewhere. I think they would be a worthwhile investment as there's a very high chance you would make your money back running these engines. Views? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted September 1, 2014 Report Share Posted September 1, 2014 Hi guys, I had a thought the other day about PJR engines etc, and I was just contemplating why more EL and PL riders don't use them. They are clearly very good engines as you only have to look at who uses them to see; Manzares, Bridger, Holder, Woffinden, Schlien, Ward and more. I'm not taking anything away from these guys they're all very very talented riders and could all do what they do without these engines undoubtedly. But as anyone who knows anything about the mechanical side to speedway will know, the more funding you have for equipment in most cases the more consistent and better rider you will be. (Which I don't agree with I don't like how speedway is all about money these days, people with less funding are hardly getting a chance!) Take Manzares as an example, this season is his first in Europe and at some tracks he's never been to before he's been known to score double figures! Not taking anything away from him he is an extremely talented rider, but your engine and equipment obviously plays a big part in your riding. I am aware that these engines are very expensive and a lot of riders aren't able to afford them, but some are able to and they choose elsewhere. I think they would be a worthwhile investment as there's a very high chance you would make your money back running these engines. Views? You have just made a very good Case for standardised Engines. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted September 1, 2014 Report Share Posted September 1, 2014 Well lets just say you only ever hear about pjr or any other tuners when they are sucessfull. Just before it closed one riders new top tuned engine nearly blew a hole in the startline at birmingham .i didnt see that tuner telling the world how good his motors were that day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Well lets just say you only ever hear about pjr or any other tuners when they are sucessfull. Just before it closed one riders new top tuned engine nearly blew a hole in the startline at birmingham .i didnt see that tuner telling the world how good his motors were that day. Well this is what happens with highly tuned race engines with no rev limiter, they keep revving until they crap themselves. PJR is an engine tuner not a manufacture, as the first post seems to imply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMYAMBANDIT Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Well this is what happens with highly tuned race engines with no rev limiter, they keep revving until they crap themselves. PJR is an engine tuner not a manufacture, as the first post seems to imply. Are PJR tuned GMs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Are PJR tuned GMs Yep, gm's and Jawa's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teddy2706 Posted September 3, 2014 Report Share Posted September 3, 2014 Having spent some time at PJR when he was dyno testing an engine for us, it was illuminating, informative and we learned more in an hour than I could ever have thought possible. Peter was complimentary about the engine we had taken (which was one of Eddie Bull's) and complimentary about Eddie Bull too. It wasn't a cheap excercise, but we were able to rectify several issues with the engine simply because of the expertise shared with us. It was undoubtedly money very well spent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted September 3, 2014 Report Share Posted September 3, 2014 the difference is in the cams all tuners basically do the same job , ie honing , valve seating etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 3, 2014 Report Share Posted September 3, 2014 the difference is in the cams all tuners basically do the same job , ie honing , valve seating etc Think that is a big factor.I seem to remember Cribby playing around with different cams all the time.Mind you he rode with avery different style to a lot of others in them days.He revved the ar#e out of the bike into the bends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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