Fromafar Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 Don't think he has a lot of haters, just a lot of frustrated fans regarding his inconsistencies and excuses he comes up with.He is a racer but for a few seasons now in the GPs he is not at the races.Seems clueless regarding what is going on with his machinery IMO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 (edited) We know Harris can do it, but why does he only have one good race per GP? Â A lot of Harris haters on here, but I like him, he is a racer not just a rider and we need to see him in the mix more to be able to prove that theory. Â Whilst I appreciate Harris has been an excellent servant to Coventry, and does appear to give 100% in every race, aside from a freak spell at the end of 2010, and to a lesser extent his debut season in 2007, Harris hasn't really shown he 'can do it' on a consistent basis, has he? On the contrary he has failed every single year bar one to qualify in the top 8, and there's a strong chance this year he'll finish outside of the top 15. Yes, some riders have to finish outside of the top 8, and that doesn't necessarily make them bad riders, but if we're being honest here, without the benevolence of the organisers, it's unlikely Harris would have ever been in the series, let alone 'enjoyed' a Grand Prix career spanning seven seasons. Â To hear Tatum and Pearson describe Harris as 'unlucky' on Saturday night , when his unprecedented Wild Card opportunities probably mark him out as the most fortunate rider in Grand Prix history, really sums up the delusion in the Harris camp and among his biggest supporters. Harris has had year after year of 'free' Grand Prix racing to sort out his machinery for these tracks, and still he can't master it? What makes you think that will ever change? Why should he be given another opportunity to prove himself when there are far better riders out there? Â In the British league, Harris IS an exciting racer and a good rider in the main; but in Sweden he is a second string/reserve, and in Poland he doesn't even ride in the top league. Hardly great credentials for a Grand Prix rider, as demonstrated by his absolutely woeful year in the GP's this season. Â If the above remarks make me a 'hater', than so be it. I prefer to see them as a realistic analysis of a rider who has largely squandered the ample opportunities he has been afforded... Â JT. Edited September 15, 2014 by JT 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 (edited) If the above remarks make me a 'hater', than so be it. Not at all, you provided reasoned argument about him, unlike many on here. I do agree with you in the respect that he is so lucky to be given continued GP chances, what's worse is I am struggling to think of any other British rider capable of replacing him, maybe Nicholls, but he had his fair share of chances too. Â Â Harris hasn't really shown he 'can do it' on a consistent basis, has he? This part I disagree with, I think winning Cardiff shown he can do it, and on occasions at each GP he seems to have one good race where he can beat the best, but where I agree is it is not consistent, so usually he will have four bad GP rides and one good GP race. Â So where we disagree is I think Harris can do it, but I agree with everything else you wrote, he is lucky and he is inconsistent. Edited September 15, 2014 by TheReturn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 When an EL team or a PL team can field a side containing 0 British riders, we have very little hope of developing the next Tai Woffinden. Tai excelled in spite of British league speedway, not as a result. I hope I'm not being too contentious here as most of us would love to have the World's best riders regularly riding for British clubs. However, most of the world's best prefer to race regularly elsewhere and a lot of the foreign riders that do race here are second-rate. Scott and Chris are, as far as GP is concerned yesterday's men. They are still class riders and we all know that on their day they can compete with the rest but, Chris Harris is never going to make the World's elite. Tai hopefully has many world titles in him but we need to find British stars who can join him. It's not good enough to only have one man capable of winning a GP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedwaysliders Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 With Tai,ithink hes been brought up the aussie way,where you fight tooth and nail to achieve their goals,If you look at riders like Harris,Holder,and tai,they are all easy going to speak to but once on a bke,a diff metal approash kicks in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 I quite agree. Talent and ability are only halfof the equation, hence my earlier comment about Chris freezing on the big stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mothorsen Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 After Pedersen's outburst on live tv , will he face any disciplinary action? Is there anything in place to deal with that? Reminded me of Boycie hitting Gollob all those years ago Why should there be? Kicking paper towels and hitting someone smack in the face are two different things. And it's not the first nor the last time we'll se helmets flying or equipment getting kicked in frustration. From any rider. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 After Pedersen's outburst on live tv , will he face any disciplinary action? Is there anything in place to deal with that? Reminded me of Boycie hitting Gollob all those years ago You mean like Holder spitting water at the camera? Spitting water at a camera is far worse IMO! Â Pedersen showed some anger and frustration in his own pit area, not his fault some twit put a camera on him. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 After Pedersen's outburst on live tv , will he face any disciplinary action? Is there anything in place to deal with that? Reminded me of Boycie hitting Gollob all those years ago are you having a giraffe?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 After Pedersen's outburst on live tv , will he face any disciplinary action? Is there anything in place to deal with that? Reminded me of Boycie hitting Gollob all those years ago Why should Pedersen face disciplinary action ? He just got excluded when hes competing for the world championship, kicking a table to let off steam, disciplinary ????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 Why should Pedersen face disciplinary action ? He just got excluded when hes competing for the world championship, kicking a table to let off steam, disciplinary ????? WHICH he did in his own pit bay ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 I read this on a Facebook page: "The 'Daily Mirror" (Monday, September 15, 2014) carries a small report on the meeting. It's mainly about how Tai Woffinden defied a hand injury to ride and in so doing narrowed the gap to seven points behind series leader Greg Hancock. SADLY - the 'Daily Mirror" did not mention that Greg did not ride in the meeting because of injury. Is that what one calls 'biased journalism'? Stand by for anti-gustix fireworks!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 (edited) I read this on a Facebook page: "The 'Daily Mirror" (Monday, September 15, 2014) carries a small report on the meeting. It's mainly about how Tai Woffinden defied a hand injury to ride and in so doing narrowed the gap to seven points behind series leader Greg Hancock. SADLY - the 'Daily Mirror" did not mention that Greg did not ride in the meeting because of injury. Is that what one calls 'biased journalism'? Stand by for anti-gustix fireworks!!!! I WOULD venture an educated guess that it was in the original copy but was subbed out to fit the available space ... Edited September 16, 2014 by PHILIPRISING Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 I read this on a Facebook page: "The 'Daily Mirror" (Monday, September 15, 2014) carries a small report on the meeting. It's mainly about how Tai Woffinden defied a hand injury to ride and in so doing narrowed the gap to seven points behind series leader Greg Hancock. SADLY - the 'Daily Mirror" did not mention that Greg did not ride in the meeting because of injury. Is that what one calls 'biased journalism'? Stand by for anti-gustix fireworks!!!! Â Â I WOULD venture an educated guess that it was in the original copy but was subbed out to fit the available space ... Â As well we know about 'annoying hatchet work by subs on the sports desk." I feel certain you are correct Phil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Fid Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 I think I didn't explain my comment properly. What I meant was is there any ruling regarding behaviour on tv (ie footballers being disciplined for swearing at cameras in their sport)? Wasn't having a go at Pedersen, it actually made for quite good viewing and shows the riders have passion (something that other sports sadly lack). Â And I know the Gollob Boyce incident is totally different, it just reminded me of it for some reason. I have a strange mind........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 I think I didn't explain my comment properly. What I meant was is there any ruling regarding behaviour on tv (ie footballers being disciplined for swearing at cameras in their sport)? Wasn't having a go at Pedersen, it actually made for quite good viewing and shows the riders have passion (something that other sports sadly lack). Â And I know the Gollob Boyce incident is totally different, it just reminded me of it for some reason. I have a strange mind........... Â If TV didn't stick a camera in a riders face or pit bay directly after an incident when the blood is boiling we would all be none the wiser. TV want a reaction so riders shouldn't face any action just for chucking a few toys out the pram. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 Â If TV didn't stick a camera in a riders face or pit bay directly after an incident when the blood is boiling we would all be none the wiser. TV want a reaction so riders shouldn't face any action just for chucking a few toys out the pram. SPOT on... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Fid Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 Didn't say he should face any action. Jeez, was only asking! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 It adds to the entertainment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nw42 Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 You mean like Holder spitting water at the camera? Spitting water at a camera is far worse IMO! Â Pedersen showed some anger and frustration in his own pit area, not his fault some twit put a camera on him. Â He was a hair's breadth from giving that woman a dig, that's the lasting impression I have from his antics on Saturday. I've no problem with him booting inanimate objects round the pits, it makes for good tv, I don't even have a problem with 2 riders exchanging blows if they're both up for it. The expression on his face as he squared up to her was there for all to see what he is in real life, a bully. They all know the cameras are there, he lost the plot momentarily and showed his true colours, went down in my estimation. Â I'll still look forward to seeing him ride, there's very rarely a dull moment when he's around, just wish he hadn't done that.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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