PHILIPRISING Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 BANK holiday and it p**ing down... no surprise. So, to help pass the time, if the GP system had been introduced in 1985 rather than 1995, who do you think would have been World Champion between 1985 and 1994? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WembleyLion Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 Hans Nielsen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 From the Champions of that time there wouldn't have been a big difference had there been GP`s, maybe Nielsen would've won a Championship or two more as would Gundersen. Would we have seen the one time winners had there a been a GP series, would Havelock or Jonsson still been Champs, IMO probably not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 85 gundersen 86-91nielsen 92 jonsson 93-94 nielsen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 Easy answer really Nielsen or Gundersen and at a push maybe Jonsson in 1992. Others would have won the odd round but over a 10 gp season the 2 danes were miles ahead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 Mr P will be along soon to explain that Hans Nielsen would have won all ten! Â He's not far off too be honest, and it is a credible outcome but I'm sure one or two would have escaped him. Â Â 85 - 90 Nielsen every time but I am sure that Gundersen would have pipped him somewhere along the line. If everything went to form Gundo would have been second 4 years in a row (and would have been heading for 2nd in 89 ahead of Shawn Moran or Kelvin Tatum before his career ending accident). I think Moran would have been 2nd in 1990 (assuming he wasn't stripped of his position through over-indulgence in cough medicine) 91 Nielsen again with Jonsson second (Jonsson was second to Nielsen in Polish averages and topped Swedish averages with Nielsen second) 92 Per Jonsson in his prime had the tools to beat Nielsen 93 Sam Ermolenko had a fantastic year - he was just superb, as well as topping British averages by some distance he also topped Polish averages with Nielsen 2nd. 94 Would have been back to Nielsen, but Jonsson might have been leading before his accident (Per topped Polish and British averages that season) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted August 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 How about 1975 to 1984? Maybe tougher to choose in this period... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 How about 1975 to 1984? Maybe tougher to choose in this period... refering back to the original thread, you will see that 1983 is the really interesting year, one with no real consensus at all. Â Sanders, Lee, Carter, Muller, Sigalos and inevitably Nielsen all have their advocates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted August 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 DON'T think Muller would have fared well in a GP series. Vastly under-estimated as a speedway rider but he didn't really enjoy the shorter form. Managed to pull it off on one occasion when his mind set was perfection. Â Riders like Carter and Lee would have enjoyed the GP I fancy. Â Would Mauger have won more or less in that period? Same with Olsen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 Can't wait till we get to 1955 to 1964 and 1965 to 1974.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 Nielsen i think would of won six or eight world titles if it had of been a GP system earlier.Also Erik might have won more as well and often he did have Hans number!To be honest up until 83 Nielsen/ Gundersen never looked like they were ever going to dominate as you then had Penhall,Lee,Sigalos,Carter all big players.All those named and Sanders i believe would of been good in the GPS.Up to the 90s Jonsson,Moran were class and Ermolenko/Knudsen to be fair were there.After 83 Nielsen had a great chance of winning loads of titles he won four so not so bad but it should of been more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 ole olsen. was my biggest buzz when i knew he was in town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 ole olsen. was my biggest buzz when i knew he was in town.For me after Briggs he is up there,a great rider awesome style and actually he was great in those Coventry years as a team man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bezza Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 I would have to plump for Nielsen for almost all GP years which makes you wonder how many titles he could have achieved when consistency is required. As much as I was a fan of Gundersen - Nielsen was able to able to adapt to most conditions and different size tracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 I would have to plump for Nielsen for almost all GP years which makes you wonder how many titles he could have achieved when consistency is required. As much as I was a fan of Gundersen - Nielsen was able to able to adapt to most conditions and different size tracks. Head to head i would love to know the stats"Bezza" be close i would imagine.Knudsen at his best was a threat good anough but he was unlucky and broke his back but came back to ride at a terrific level.Nielsen i was never a fan but i did warm to him i was wrong what a great rider he was Longevity at a high level shows that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 Depends on the system. Using the ko system Gundersen would havewon a few by sneaking into the finals many times via the eliminators, then doing Nielsen in the final. Â Using the current format Nielsen would probably won them all and gone down as the undisputed greatest rider of all time that he should have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 Depends on the system. Using the ko system Gundersen would havewon a few by sneaking into the finals many times via the eliminators, then doing Nielsen in the final. Using the current format Nielsen would probably won them all and gone down as the undisputed greatest rider of all time that he should have. Not as good as Briggo,!? plus i still feel Lee,Penhall,Gundersen had his number but he regrouped after and after bitter disappointments he got stronger fair play to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wackie Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 Really from the list WC's from 85 to 85 only Gary Havelock stands out as the one who wouldn't have won a title if the GP's had replaced the 1 off WF a decade earlier. There's very little doubt in my mind that had his horrible injury not robbed him from the sport, Per Jonsson would have been WC in 1994 - he was on fire that year! Â The Danes would have owned the late 80's, but the Swedes would have ruled the 90's. I think an earlier start to the GP's may have seen Jimmy Nielsen crowned WC too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 Depends on the system. Using the ko system Gundersen would havewon a few by sneaking into the finals many times via the eliminators, then doing Nielsen in the final. Â Using the current format Nielsen would probably won them all and gone down as the undisputed greatest rider of all time that he should have. But Gundersen, like Mauger before him, was able to build up to the big night and make those 5 rides count. Thats what was needed in those days. No reason if there was a different system in place then they wouldn't have been able to adapt their approach and make the most out of the GP's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 (edited) But Gundersen, like Mauger before him, was able to build up to the big night and make those 5 rides count. Thats what was needed in those days. No reason if there was a different system in place then they wouldn't have been able to adapt their approach and make the most out of the GP's.The GPS are an easier system i believe, for the top riders.Most who won the final on a one off only the top ones would of loved the GPS anyway a different challenge a different pressure. Edited August 25, 2014 by sidney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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