pointsmeanplayoffs Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Tai has once again commented on his wish for a squad system to be introduced; http://www.speedwaygp.com/news/article/3601/tired-tai-calls-for-job I think this may be a logical step, and it would be good to have backup for when one of your No.1's is still hammered : ) Seriously, I think it could work and would get some of the GP boys like Nicki P interested again in riding in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gemini Posted August 20, 2014 Popular Post Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 I doubt anything would get the likes of Nicki Pedersen interested in riding over here again and promoters wouldn't be able to afford them anyway. I've got a better idea - let those riders who can't commit to a full season of riding in every match for their club clear off and ride elsewhere. 22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Tai has once again commented on his wish for a squad system to be introduced; http://www.speedwaygp.com/news/article/3601/tired-tai-calls-for-job I think this may be a logical step, and it would be good to have backup for when one of your No.1's is still hammered : ) Seriously, I think it could work and would get some of the GP boys like Nicki P interested again in riding in the UK. So its ok for Tai to suggest it to suit his needs - but not Matt Ford who was berated and criticised when he proposed this 2 years ago!!? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointsmeanplayoffs Posted August 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 I doubt anything would get the likes of Nicki Pedersen interested in riding over here again and promoters wouldn't be able to afford them anyway. I've got a better idea - let those riders who can't commit to a full season of riding in every match for their club clear off and ride elsewhere. We've got to accept we're lower down the food chain than other leagues.This could be the only way we get to see GP riders week in week out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noggin Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Most clubs havn't got a pot to piss in, so are hardly going to pay for two number ones. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointsmeanplayoffs Posted August 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 If this is brought in then everyone might as well pack up. You just know certain clubs will be left with scraps whilst other clubs will have squads like Vetlanda and Torun and every meeting will be so predictable. A little bit dramatic no? It would only be for No. 1's and not the entire squad. And I think Torun's dream team may be more down to the lack of a points limit in Poland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 (edited) We've got to accept we're lower down the food chain than other leagues.This could be the only way we get to see GP riders week in week out. Personally watching G.P riders doesn't bother me and I've not missed any of them who decided to give England a miss. I'd much prefer teams to be more equal so the racing is closer, even heading more towards PL level, but I know there are others who like to see the 'top stars' so whatever happens not everyone is going to be pleased. Edited August 20, 2014 by Gemini 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Most teams won't be able to afford it. Think be easier just to have riders who are interested in riding here next season, Woffy hasn't looked interested at all. Iversen has coped well with the work load and been very good. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 what about if a teams wants a balanced team without a number 1 , some teams number 1 would be number 3 or 4 in other teams squad , theres not enough top riders wanting to ride over here anyway , and if one is tired then the other one will be as all top riders do same leagues same meetings etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointsmeanplayoffs Posted August 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Great post. My thoughts exactly. Really?!? It could SAVE money. For example, Lynn would use Kenneth or Niels, not both. We could bring in Mads as a second heat leader and I bet he is on less points £££ than the GP boys. But the 'Elite' product would be further 'watered down'. All about sustainability I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointsmeanplayoffs Posted August 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 I reckon you'd need about half a dozen more 'superstars' to commit to the EL squad system to make it an even playing field. The No. 1's would all still have an average (only count the higher of the two averages) so there would still be an element of choice between going for a top-heavy/even line up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 I doubt anything would get the likes of Nicki Pedersen interested in riding over here again and promoters wouldn't be able to afford them anyway. I've got a better idea - let those riders who can't commit to a full season of riding in every match for their club clear off and ride elsewhere. BUT, like it or not, there are still people out there who want to see the top riders racing in the Elite League. If "shared number ones" for want of a better phrase, are on the same deal where is the additional cost? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 (edited) BUT, like it or not, there are still people out there who want to see the top riders racing in the Elite League. If "shared number ones" for want of a better phrase, are on the same deal where is the additional cost?Maybe they should ask the fans then what they want instead of always certain riders or teams. I would rather watch riders who race hard and show commitment to the British leagues & also the development of young riders, than riders who are half hearted & think they can dictate the rules. Can always watch Tai etc in GP if want to see them as never ride same for league anyway. Out of the current GP riders in the EL, I would only miss Iversen & Harris if didn't ride here. Edited August 20, 2014 by mdmc82 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Agree. If we are being honest nobody else has suffered from tiredness apart from Tai. If it were to happen it would go something like this. Poole: Holder and Ward. Wolves :Woffy and Freddie. Eastie: Left with scraps, Lakeside and Leicester the same as Eastie. BUT in essence that isn't any different to what we have now. Lindgren and Holder aren't racing in the EL and would only do so substituting for one who is. There are, in fact, other riders suffering from fatigue like Tai. Iversen, for example, looks worn out. All that travelling must take its toil. As a side issue, chatting to NKI while fiddling our thumbs in Riga, he mentioned that when he sold the van previous to the one he has now, it had done 660,000 kilometres with "one careful owner!" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Let's not have shared number 1s necessarily but a squad system. Teams can sign a squad upto 10 riders and the pick a team out of that Squad for each Meeting upto a points limit. Some sides might have two number ones in there squad but others might only need one. Gives the option of a side wanting to pick their two top riders but then they will be weaker lower down. I have read tweets and articles in the past from the likes Pedersen and Hancock who have said they would ride over here if they were contracted to less meetings. It also helps solves the farcical sides that have been named recently. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 BUT in essence that isn't any different to what we have now. Lindgren and Holder aren't racing in the EL and would only do so substituting for one who is. There are, in fact, other riders suffering from fatigue like Tai. Iversen, for example, looks worn out. All that travelling must take its toil. As a side issue, chatting to NKI while fiddling our thumbs in Riga, he mentioned that when he sold the van previous to the one he has now, it had done 660,000 kilometres with "one careful owner!" And I should add it wasn't that old... That's why I have so much respect for the riders. However the squad system just wouldn't work in my opinion COULD it be any worse than what we have now? A less regimented system for team compilation would probably help as well. Of course it would require the promoters to work as one and therein is the most significant flaw. But there has to be drastic action this winter (wish I had a pound for every time I have written that) and some real leadership. How many teams this year will fail to complete their fixtures, especially before the cut-off dates? It's a shambles... Let's not have shared number 1s necessarily but a squad system. Teams can sign a squad upto 10 riders and the pick a team out of that Squad for each Meeting upto a points limit. Some sides might have two number ones in there squad but others might only need one. Gives the option of a side wanting to pick their two top riders but then they will be weaker lower down. I have read tweets and articles in the past from the likes Pedersen and Hancock who have said they would ride over here if they were contracted to less meetings. It also helps solves the farcical sides that have been named recently. ECHO that... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 I've advocated a squad system for some time however if it's just to be shared jobs at number one clubs should have a choice. If they choose to go down the shared job route, they should not be allowed a guest at No 1 and only R/R if both No 1s are out on long term injuries (3 week minimum from all meetings) If however a club chooses to have one single committed rider at number 1 they should be allowed guests and R/R as per the current rules. LIke some others I don't give a tinkers cuss about seeing GP superstars but accept that some do. I prefer a rider of possibly lesser ability (or probably with less finances ) who is wholly committed to his club. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 (edited) I would say yes for a couple of reasons. 1. Certain clubs just don't have the money to bring in top riders. 2. You see some clubs delighted now days to get No.1s who are not GP riders or Ekstraliga riders. SAY again, no different to what we have now. A squad system doesn't have to only apply to number ones, of whatever standard. It could at least get rid of guests and maybe even rider replacement. Surely that is a step in the right direction? Edited August 20, 2014 by PHILIPRISING 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecoombdog Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 That's why I have so much respect for the riders. However the squad system just wouldn't work in my opinion So you love RR and guests every week? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 I've advocated a squad system for some time however if it's just to be shared jobs at number one clubs should have a choice. If they choose to go down the shared job route, they should not be allowed a guest at No 1 and only R/R if both No 1s are out on long term injuries (3 week minimum from all meetings) If however a club chooses to have one single committed rider at number 1 they should be allowed guests and R/R as per the current rules. LIke some others I don't give a tinkers cuss about seeing GP superstars but accept that some do. I prefer a rider of possibly lesser ability (or probably with less finances ) who is wholly committed to his club. WOULD get more commitment from a squad rider than a guest most likely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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