Mr Blobby Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Still two problems with that. If he's averaging twice his average at home he is getting 0 away. And frankly thats pants, his average is 5, he's a failure. Only averaging 3.2 is not good enough. calling him a failure is a bit harsh and quite frankly not true. He started riding in the states in 2010 so he is actually doing pretty well considering the amount of time he has been riding. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioness Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 some people seem to think though that unless you are instantly Greg Hancock/Nicki Pedersen/Chris Holder you are a failure Blobby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMungo Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 some people seem to think though that unless you are instantly Greg Hancock/Nicki Pedersen/Chris Holder you are a failure Blobby. Or Darcy Ward? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 If he was on the pace he would have scored more points. Good idea to get him a nice low average so he can ride at reserve next year though rather than a young British rider who is also just starting out. I'll not comment any further on the attempted patronisation in your post. Josh Grajczonek's first three scores: 6+1 away at Edinburgh. 3+2 at home to Berwick and 10+3 at home to Edinburgh. Terrible compared to Palovaara you'll agree. Also riding in his first three meetings for Glasgow at the same time as Grajczonek was Mitchell Davey, another rider who managed to be given chance after chance here and never amount to more than a reserve. His first three scores? 0, 3 and 4+2. Aaron Fox is another not good enough to be in the Premier League, not many riders who come over are. Simple answer should be that these riders aren't given a real average until their exceeds the assessed figure they are given. Substantial fact is his average after 3 meetings in below 2 points, I'd be surprised to see it much above 4 before the season is out. First point - that's rubbish. You can be 'on the pace' but still be in 4th and get no points. Doesn't mean 'he's pony.' Second point - I can only go by when I've seen him, but Aaron Fox guested for Newcastle a few weeks ago and deserved more points than he got, simply for the effort he put in and was unlucky in a coupe of his rides. You say "he's not good enough to be in the PL" there are many riders (both British and Foreign) who fall into that category, but, in my opinion, Aaron Fox isn't one of them. Every rider finds their level eventually, given time. Just because a rider comes in on a 7 (or a 5) and, in this case, is unlucky to be thrown 'in at the deep-end' with the number 1 jacket, doesn't mean they should be written off after a few meetings and, on borrowed machinery too. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 First point - that's rubbish. You can be 'on the pace' but still be in 4th and get no points. Doesn't mean 'he's pony.' Second point - I can only go by when I've seen him, but Aaron Fox guested for Newcastle a few weeks ago and deserved more points than he got, simply for the effort he put in and was unlucky in a coupe of his rides. You say "he's not good enough to be in the PL" there are many riders (both British and Foreign) who fall into that category, but, in my opinion, Aaron Fox isn't one of them. Every rider finds their level eventually, given time. Just because a rider comes in on a 7 (or a 5) and, in this case, is unlucky to be thrown 'in at the deep-end' with the number 1 jacket, doesn't mean they should be written off after a few meetings and, on borrowed machinery too. Very well said, very well put. Should you be coming on here, Steve? Making sensible posts like that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Very well said, very well put. Should you be coming on here, Steve? Making sensible posts like that? I (nearly) always make sensible posts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 The last few years I've believed our side should make the play-offs and we've fallen short (by a long stretch mostly!) but we all want to believe our own side can do well before the season starts. Our team is gash as Paulco says, I'm the first to agree on that score. As a nation we shouldn't keep bringing overseas riders in to get them "bargain" averages for the following season, the rules allow it to happen so it does but it shouldn't be so. If an overseas rider can't attain their assessed average on track it is not unreasonable to suggest that they should start the next season on that figure again. If a British rider can't hit his assessed 3 point starting average then he doesn't get to start on his real figure the following season so why should riders from abroad get the privilege of being able to drop below their assessed average? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 (edited) Is Aaron Fox on a work permit? If he is, should he really be allowed back into British Speedway in 2015 on anything less than a 5.00 average? - his work permit average. All the best Rob Edited August 20, 2014 by lucifer sam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Have been saying for years that the assessed average of non-Brits should remain as their Green Sheet until they exceed it.Agree, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Stewart Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Is Aaron Fox on a work permit? If he is, should he really be allowed back into British Speedway in 2015 on anything less than a 5.00 average? - his work permit average. All the best Rob I'm not quite sure why he should be singled out. If the rule were that riders come back still on their assessed average if their real average is lower, I think Edinburgh would still take Aaron on 5. Definite potential there. You in particular might recall that he beat Thomas Jorgensen in his first ride at Scunthorpe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Is Aaron Fox on a work permit? If he is, should he really be allowed back into British Speedway in 2015 on anything less than a 5.00 average? - his work permit average. All the best Rob Should any rider be allowed back if not obtaining their work permit average? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 I'm not quite sure why he should be singled out. If the rule were that riders come back still on their assessed average if their real average is lower, I think Edinburgh would still take Aaron on 5. Definite potential there. You in particular might recall that he beat Thomas Jorgensen in his first ride at Scunthorpe. I think the only reason he has been singled out is that he is the best example this year.Agree that he could still be worthwhile on a 5. Thats just the point - if they are good enough they are more than welcome. If not then team takes the risk of the shortfall. If they are not good enough they shouldnt be here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Aaron Fox is another not good enough to be in the Premier League, not many riders who come over are. Simple answer should be that these riders aren't given a real average until their exceeds the assessed figure they are given. First point - that's rubbish. You can be 'on the pace' but still be in 4th and get no points. Doesn't mean 'he's pony.' Second point - I can only go by when I've seen him, but Aaron Fox guested for Newcastle a few weeks ago and deserved more points than he got, simply for the effort he put in and was unlucky in a coupe of his rides. You say "he's not good enough to be in the PL" there are many riders (both British and Foreign) who fall into that category, but, in my opinion, Aaron Fox isn't one of them. Every rider finds their level eventually, given time. Just because a rider comes in on a 7 (or a 5) and, in this case, is unlucky to be thrown 'in at the deep-end' with the number 1 jacket, doesn't mean they should be written off after a few meetings and, on borrowed machinery too. Is Aaron Fox on a work permit? If he is, should he really be allowed back into British Speedway in 2015 on anything less than a 5.00 average? - his work permit average. All the best Rob I'm not quite sure why he should be singled out. If the rule were that riders come back still on their assessed average if their real average is lower, I think Edinburgh would still take Aaron on 5. Definite potential there. You in particular might recall that he beat Thomas Jorgensen in his first ride at Scunthorpe. He was mentioned earlier in the thread (see above), which might explain 'being singled out.' 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudflaps Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 we have 11 .27 to play with, what about Nemo and Tom Perry ? go for Rory Schlein and then get the move blocked by the BSPA!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 go for Rory Schlein and then get the move blocked by the BSPA!!! The Dark Lord would never sanction that one haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 calling him a failure is a bit harsh and quite frankly not true. He started riding in the states in 2010 so he is actually doing pretty well considering the amount of time he has been riding. He come in on a 5, he's not getting a 5.He's a failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 He come in on a 5, he's not getting a 5.He's a failure.True , he's mince Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekimba Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 True , he's mince As the old song goes "gone fishing" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 As the old song goes "gone fishing"Damn , i was trying to catch a blobby shaped one Was there not some row a few years ago about Chris Kerr and his average ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Damn , i was trying to catch a blobby shaped one Was there not some row a few years ago about Chris Kerr and his average ? As far as I can remember the CVS asset Kerr, had say a 6.7 average and had to get 7 to get a work permit, but because he was injured for a fair old period, he was allowed to return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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