PHILIPRISING Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 NOT often (ever?) I say this Humphrey but cannot argue with any of the above Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
500cc Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Not really. If there's a technical problem then you can't definitively prove that a person was guilty given no other evidence. Yes, sporting cases are decided on 'balance of probabilities' rather than 'beyond reasonable doubt', but Darcy Ward was clearly not steaming drunk at the GP, and was likely well below what's considered an acceptable limit for driving. That's obviously not a defence if the acceptable limit for riding speedway is zero, but if the testing procedure was faulty or not carried out properly, then it is possible that an erroneous reading was taken. Agreed. If there is reasonable doubt that the readings were correct (or even if the procedures were correctly followed) then he should be found not guilty (not the terminology for this case mind).. Whilst nobody should be wrongly found guilty, innocence on a technicality is a different matter. There is quite a difference between a faulty measurement and the tester entering the wrong date on the documentation for example. You would hope the objections relate to reasonable doubt he was over limit as opposed to a (non impacting) administrative error. But my point was about finding a loophole. If he was indisputably over the limit, but the objection was a minor documentation issue, then, in my opinion, that's a very different matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robinsgirl Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 Look like most people say Darcy Ward is not worth debating, the majority? say we're better off without him! We'll just have to spend 126 pages discussing someone else. Whats Nicki been up to? :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 Look like most people say Darcy Ward is not worth debating, the majority? say we're better off without him! We'll just have to spend 126 pages discussing someone else. Whats Nicki been up to? :-) I don't know. So why not start a thread about him? That is how forums work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffster Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 Look like most people say Darcy Ward is not worth debating, the majority? say we're better off without him! We'll just have to spend 126 pages discussing someone else. Whats Nicki been up to? :-) Nicki ? Oh, thats easy, was all over social media yesterday... Nicki went back to his primary local school in Brenderup yesterday, in conjunction with the local police, and talked to the kids about road safety. bless him, even giving out hi vis vests to the kids....He wore his kevlars and even put on a hi vis vest himself You can see pictures here : https://twitter.com/nickipedersenDK Nicki tweeted : Nicki Pedersen @nickipedersenDK · Nov 5 I went back to my old school in Brenderup this morning Me and local police handed children safety vest#StaySafe So, now you know 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 Not many Nicki fans may think of looking in the Darcy Ward thread for such info. If only there was a way of creating a Nicki Pedersen thread of his own. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 CONTACTED BSI to see whether they had any Ward update and reply was "not a dicky bird." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 (edited) CONTACTED BSI to see whether they had any Ward update and reply was "not a dicky bird." Come off it Phil,that is you talking to yourself!!!! Only people of a certain age and from parts of the country say things like that now.You and Mike Patrick for instance....... Edited November 6, 2014 by iris123 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 FURROW Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 CONTACTED BSI to see whether they had any Ward update and reply was "not a dicky bird."Why would BSI be interested anyway they and the FIM made it clear they weren't interested in Ward when they made there picks and how correct they were 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 Not many Nicki fans may think of looking in the Darcy Ward thread for such info. If only there was a way of creating a Nicki Pedersen thread of his own. Ha! what does Darcy do off the track? eeer, we better not go down that road again, all a bit seedy. What does Nicki do? Well hate him or love him, he is fairly professional off the track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 CONTACTED BSI to see whether they had any Ward update and reply was "not a dicky bird." Why would BSI be told before clubs and fans. Oh yeah forgot they and Sky are gods that we should all bow down to! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 KEEP your hair on ... was just curious as to whether BSI had heard something during their many conversations with the FIM. And, of course, they want to know the outcome, just as we do. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 KEEP your hair on ... was just curious as to whether BSI had heard something during their many conversations with the FIM. And, of course, they want to know the outcome, just as we do. I apologise for my tone. I'm just sick of money making enterprises telling the sport what to do when the people that should matter, the fans, seem to be totally ignored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 Come off it Phil,that is you talking to yourself!!!! Only people of a certain age and from parts of the country say things like that now.You and Mike Patrick for instance....... I think you've been in Germany too long..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 You might be right Norbold.But maybe you've been in Clacton too long?It is one of those places that are full of just the people i was thinking of.I am sure "dicky bird" is said more often than the norm there !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 According this article, Darcy have signed a new contract with his Swedish team and the team manager for that teams says that Darcy's lawyers expects Darcy to get a 6-8 month ban. http://mvt.se/sport/speedway/piraterna-nara-ett-dromlag-10338238.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theknow 2 Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 CONTACTED BSI to see whether they had any Ward update and reply was "not a dicky bird." Same as i heard, must a been the same person Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 According this article, Darcy have signed a new contract with his Swedish team and the team manager for that teams says that Darcy's lawyers expects Darcy to get a 6-8 month ban. http://mvt.se/sport/speedway/piraterna-nara-ett-dromlag-10338238.aspx And by the time the season starts that will be served.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theknow 2 Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 According this article, Darcy have signed a new contract with his Swedish team and the team manager for that teams says that Darcy's lawyers expects Darcy to get a 6-8 month ban. http://mvt.se/sport/speedway/piraterna-nara-ett-dromlag-10338238.aspx Far too small a ban for the offence if this is the case. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 (edited) A couple of thoughts from the Swedish report ... The lawyer seems to be basing his advice on the Stefan Danno case ... That was in 2000, now 14 years ago. It will be interesting to see if a case from so long ago, when some aspects of doping control administration were quite different, really is a guiding precedent for today. Stefan Danno's case was decided in the week before Christmas for an offence committed at the end of September ... So timing wise Darcy's case isn't really that delayed by comparison, yet. And finally, the report makes no mention of the possibility of him being cleared on the grounds that the test was performed wrongly. He is now expecting a ban, so must now be reconciled to guilt being established? . Edited November 7, 2014 by Grand Central Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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