Pirates Of Poole Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 (edited) Its now the 4th of November and still no date has been set, there was a rumour of the 8th November which is incorrect. The FIM need to get there acts together on this. Regardless if his legal team have been putting excuses in, ignore and simply give him his punishment, his Polish, Swedish and British team can then move on with or with out him. Edited November 4, 2014 by Pirates Of Poole 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Panda Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Its now the 4th of November and still no date has been set, there was a rumour of the 8th November which is incorrect. The FIM need to get there acts together on this. Regardless if his legal team have been putting excuses in, ignore and simply give him his punishment, his Polish, Swedish and British team can then move on with or with out him. I thought it was still going ahead then...........seen nothing to suggest otherwise............. RP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirates Of Poole Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 (edited) Not sure where the 8th came from but nothing official I have seen, no date has been set still. Edited November 4, 2014 by Pirates Of Poole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 November 8th for the hearing, I was told last night!!! This is the only place I had seen it mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 This is the only place I had seen it mentioned. And by someone who by his posts is extremely close to Poole Speedway 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theknow 2 Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Its now the 4th of November and still no date has been set, there was a rumour of the 8th November which is incorrect. The FIM need to get there acts together on this. Regardless if his legal team have been putting excuses in, ignore and simply give him his punishment, his Polish, Swedish and British team can then move on with or with out him. I was told that the FIM have now had to pass this over to the World Doping Council and that is where the delay is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 I was told that the FIM have now had to pass this over to the World Doping Council and that is where the delay is. For what reason? Niamh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 No good FIM announcing their verdict if at the end of the day WDC has a say - may as well FIM pass their findings and conclusion over to them then when a decision comes it is final. Asuming that is the case, I dont know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Its now the 4th of November and still no date has been set, there was a rumour of the 8th November which is incorrect. The FIM need to get there acts together on this. Regardless if his legal team have been putting excuses in, ignore and simply give him his punishment, his Polish, Swedish and British team can then move on with or with out him. Strikes me, the longer they drag it out the less likely the punishment..Although what he's lost in a POSIBLE, World championship Poland Sweden and Poole, that will be punishment enough.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Strikes me, the longer they drag it out the less likely the punishment..Although what he's lost in a POSIBLE, World championship Poland Sweden and Poole, that will be punishment enough.. No and it's not even close of being enough. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skidder1 Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 (edited) And by someone who by his posts is extremely close to Poole Speedway I was told by one of DW's sponsors that it was the 8th and it was widely reported by others to be scheduled for 'early November' - but as 'theknow2' states, it has now been delayed further. Whatever people think of Ward's situation, the whole thing has been very poorly handled by the governing bodies. Edited November 4, 2014 by Skidder1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
500cc Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Typically legal processes are (frustratingly) time consuming. The view seems to be that Ward's lawyers are responsible in some way. How much this delay is incorporated in to any final decision on length of suspension may depend on whether the lawyers have a reasonable case, or are simply looking for loopholes. If reasonable, then I suspect a reduced final length. If not, then no reduction (beyond what legally is constituted) will be offered. The final outcome must only be decided on fact. However, I can't help feeling Ward would benefit from a guilty decision. He certainly appears to have an issue with alcohol (I don't mean an alcoholic, but his use of it). I can think of four high profile incidents he has been involved in that are linked to alcohol. Worryingly that includes alcohol and motor vehicles. He could really benefit with a mature individual in his corner to focus him going forward. I'm speculating, but because of what we pick-up from those in the know, I assume Ward is attempting to prove is innocence on a technicality. Whilst nobody should be wrongly found guilty, innocence on a technicality is a different matter. There is quite a difference between a faulty measurement and the tester entering the wrong date on the documentation for example. You would hope the objections relate to reasonable doubt he was over limit as opposed to a (non impacting) administrative error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave69 Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Typically legal processes are (frustratingly) time consuming. The view seems to be that Ward's lawyers are responsible in some way. How much this delay is incorporated in to any final decision on length of suspension may depend on whether the lawyers have a reasonable case, or are simply looking for loopholes. If reasonable, then I suspect a reduced final length. If not, then no reduction (beyond what legally is constituted) will be offered. The final outcome must only be decided on fact. However, I can't help feeling Ward would benefit from a guilty decision. He certainly appears to have an issue with alcohol (I don't mean an alcoholic, but his use of it). I can think of four high profile incidents he has been involved in that are linked to alcohol. Worryingly that includes alcohol and motor vehicles. He could really benefit with a mature individual in his corner to focus him going forward. I'm speculating, but because of what we pick-up from those in the know, I assume Ward is attempting to prove is innocence on a technicality. Whilst nobody should be wrongly found guilty, innocence on a technicality is a different matter. There is quite a difference between a faulty measurement and the tester entering the wrong date on the documentation for example. You would hope the objections relate to reasonable doubt he was over limit as opposed to a (non impacting) administrative error. Middlo ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 I'm so bored with the " I was told" " I heard" posts. Who actually IS in the know. Philip Rising, Pirates of Poole, Skidder, Starman, the newly appointed 500cc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 I'm so bored with the " I was told" " I heard" posts. Who actually IS in the know. Thats why I keep checking the thread... Someone that was actually in the same bar the night before must be bursting by now to spill the beans. I mean the rumours that have travelled to me are so good, that the reality must have been excellent entertainment for those sitting on the side... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirates Of Poole Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 (edited) All I know is it isn't the 8th and Darcy has not heard when the date is yet still. I don't know the ins and outs of why its been delayed but 'theknow2' is likely correct. Edited November 5, 2014 by Pirates Of Poole 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabbsjoe Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Middlo ? part of the problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skidder1 Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 (edited) When you think about this logically - which I know can be an issue for some posters - IF there was some sort of irregularity with the FIM breath testing procedure in the rearranged Latvian GP, then it would also be highly irregular for the FIM to adjudicate and/or pass judgement on a case involving their own procedures!!? Hence it would be logical that any decision-making process was passed to a 3rd-party organisation. eg the WDC. - although that still doesn't explain why the delay has been so long!!? Edited November 5, 2014 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 (edited) When you think about this logically - which I know can be an issue for some posters - IF there was some sort of irregularity with the FIM breath testing procedure in the rearranged Latvian GP, then it would also be highly irregular for the FIM to adjudicate and/or pass judgement on a case involving their own procedures!!? Hence it would be logical that any decision-making process was passed to a 3rd-party organisation. eg the WDC. - although that still doesn't explain why the delay has been so long!!? Possibly .... But then if the FIM were to know that the testing procedure was not watertight. Then surely they would have come to that conclusion in the time that elapsed after the Latvian GP and before the end of August when they decided to press ahead with action that invoked the suspension. They could have just dropped the whole thing. Is it not just as logical that they formed the opinion then that they had quite reasonable confidence in the procedure and are happy enough to hand final judgement in the matter over to an outside body who they fully expect to find in their favour? Don't you just love speculation? . Edited November 5, 2014 by Grand Central Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Whilst nobody should be wrongly found guilty, innocence on a technicality is a different matter. Not really. If there's a technical problem then you can't definitively prove that a person was guilty given no other evidence. Yes, sporting cases are decided on 'balance of probabilities' rather than 'beyond reasonable doubt', but Darcy Ward was clearly not steaming drunk at the GP, and was likely well below what's considered an acceptable limit for driving. That's obviously not a defence if the acceptable limit for riding speedway is zero, but if the testing procedure was faulty or not carried out properly, then it is possible that an erroneous reading was taken. That he publicly admitted to having a few drinks the previously evening doesn't really prove much if there's some doubt over whether he was actually over the limit by the time of the GP. What is ridiculous though, is the amount of time taken to resolve this. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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