sommelier Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 I'M not defending Ward at all but even high ranking members of the FIM will admit privately that his case has been badly handled. It could and should have been resolved by now. Those clubs he rides for in Britain, Poland and Sweden are the innocent parties in this (yes, even Poole!) and quite rightly want to know whether or not he will be available next season. Totally agree with you on every point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribbler Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 I'M not defending Ward at all but even high ranking members of the FIM will admit privately that his case has been badly handled. It could and should have been resolved by now. Those clubs he rides for in Britain, Poland and Sweden are the innocent parties in this (yes, even Poole!) and quite rightly want to know whether or not he will be available next season. And it really should/would have been so simple... DW fails test - admits to drinking the night before the meeting on camera to TV audience. Who/what has complicated the case? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 And it really should/would have been so simple... DW fails test - admits to drinking the night before the meeting on camera to TV audience. Who/what has complicated the case? The FIM officials who did not want to get their hands "dirty" by slapping the ban on the spot? Apparently only a week till the hearing... I'll give this miss another shot. Really difficult to stay away though... = ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 As far as the delay goes, we have been led to believe that the reason for the delay is that Ward's legal team were challenging the alcohol test and the way it was undertaken. I don't know if that is true but if it is, then surely some of the blame (at least) for the delay is down to Ward rather than the FIM? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 You just know that the ones defending Ward wouldn't have defended a different rider. Smacks of self interest and favouritism. Just because he is exciting it doesn't mean he shouldn't get away with it. The punishment should be the same whether it's Ward or any one else. If it was Bomber I would feel the same way, a ban would be needed. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 (edited) I'M not defending Ward at all but even high ranking members of the FIM will admit privately that his case has been badly handled. It could and should have been resolved by now. Those clubs he rides for in Britain, Poland and Sweden are the innocent parties in this (yes, even Poole!) and quite rightly want to know whether or not he will be available next season. I think norbold and scribbler have made the salient points on this. As far as the delay goes, we have been led to believe that the reason for the delay is that Ward's legal team were challenging the alcohol test and the way it was undertaken. I don't know if that is true but if it is, then surely some of the blame (at least) for the delay is down to Ward rather than the FIM? And it really should/would have been so simple... DW fails test - admits to drinking the night before the meeting on camera to TV audience. Who/what has complicated the case? And I have to say that any employer of Darcy Ward has only entered into contracts with him after being fully aware of his 'personality'. Sympathy for them when he mucks up, yet again, is always tinged with 'well, you took him on!' Edited November 2, 2014 by Grand Central 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 For those bemoaning the delay in the hearing-we are today just 2 days into the European "close season" -hardly at the eve of next season stage !!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 (edited) For those bemoaning the delay in the hearing-we are today just 2 days into the European "close season" -hardly at the eve of next season stage !!! Absolutely right. Now is the right time to think about the little shi!t who has spoit the rest of the season for all of the decent folk in world speedway. Lets us hope that the reasonable tribunal members hold sway. And not the place fillers of the old guard. Be they editors, refs, pass holders or whatever. Edited November 2, 2014 by Grand Central 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 CARE to explain the last two lines of above ... I'm confused, sadly not that unusual these days! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 I imagine, from what we have been told, that the 'part of the FIM' that is handling this issue seems to be somewhat separate from the 'high ranking' FIM folk who seem to be talking quite freely about their misgivings concerning the process in the 'paddock chat' at recent SGPs. We have not been informed about actual persons that are to make up the judicial panel on this case. Their background is as yet unknown. So much of the SGP 'decision making' is a little hazy to say the least. I hope this panel is above reproach. That is all. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksback Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 The fact that the test wasn't carried out in accordance with FIM guidlines will have an impact on the severity of the ban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theknow 2 Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 (edited) I'M not defending Ward at all but even high ranking members of the FIM will admit privately that his case has been badly handled. It could and should have been resolved by now. Those clubs he rides for in Britain, Poland and Sweden are the innocent parties in this (yes, even Poole!) and quite rightly want to know whether or not he will be available next season. But is this not mainly due to him/advisers putting up all sorts of claims and excuses which has delayed this rather than accept it and the punishment Phil. Must admit every time i think about him getting his mechanics to carry him out the pits after the failed test with the knee injury does make me laugh Is it the watergate cover up Edited November 3, 2014 by theknow 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 The fact that the test wasn't carried out in accordance with FIM guidlines will have an impact on the severity of the ban. Wasn't it? How do you know this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 The fact that the test wasn't carried out in accordance with FIM guidlines will have an impact on the severity of the ban. What a strange post. If the test was as a FACT not done properly; then I don't think we would be at this stage at all, would we? If Wards legal team are able to show discrepancies to the tribunal this week then clearly the tribunal may determine this as a FACT. But that will surely for them to decide, not jacksback! And if the test was to be actually ruled out completely then surely the guy will be in the clear! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 Wasn't it? How do you know this? GOOD question ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 GOOD question ...I would think all the bigwigs from BSI and FIM were there. The first time the meter showed any action, they had to make sure the procedure would not be kokked up. If they did kock it up, each FIM official should do the appropriate thing. It involves scissors and a license card. I've been confident so far that it was done by the book. Still am, and I have my reasons why I feel that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 Sorry, but you really do typify people who cannot see rational argument as purely un-partisan as possible. I tried my best and you still could not see it. Your loss, I'm afraid. I haven't defended him. Where have i argued against rational argument? Where have i contradicted any of your 'rational' posts? Sorry but your obsessive hatred of Poole/Darcy is devaluing your comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 (edited) I haven't defended him. Where have i argued against rational argument? Where have i contradicted any of your 'rational' posts? Sorry but your obsessive hatred of Poole/Darcy is devaluing your comments. . Am I living in a parallel universe or have you got me totally confused with someone else? I have never said you had defended him! I have never said that you have 'argued against' rational argument. I have never said that you 'contradicted' any of my posts. I just said that you seemed somewhat unable to SEE rational argument that I felt I had put in as unpartisan way as I possibly could. But only after you - out of the 'blue' - accused me of being anti Poole in a post that just wasn't. Edited November 4, 2014 by Grand Central 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksback Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 What a strange post. If the test was as a FACT not done properly; then I don't think we would be at this stage at all, would we? If Wards legal team are able to show discrepancies to the tribunal this week then clearly the tribunal may determine this as a FACT. But that will surely for them to decide, not jacksback! And if the test was to be actually ruled out completely then surely the guy will be in the cle GC- sorry to confuse you with my post...will type slower in future 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 (edited) GC- sorry to confuse you with my post...will type slower in future You can type slower. You could use sign language; or even semaphore. Anything that could possibly make sense of your post. Please. . Edited November 4, 2014 by Grand Central Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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