Darcy Ward

[pugwash]

Looks like the FIM have dug a hole.

Edited October 11, 2014 by pugwash

[PHILIPRISING]

JUST come back from a 'talk-in' with over 100 TravelPlus punters in Torun during which they were asked to raise their hands if they wished to see Ward get a wild card (if possible) and it was almost a unanimous yes vote.

 

I would also point out that Pete Adams went against the grain and said he felt Ward needed a significant punishment before being allowed back into the SGP.

 

Nothing scientific but it was interesting that those who pay to go and watch were far more forgiving.

[SteveLyric2]

JUST come back from a 'talk-in' with over 100 TravelPlus punters in Torun during which they were asked to raise their hands if they wished to see Ward get a wild card (if possible) and it was almost a unanimous yes vote.

 

I would also point out that Pete Adams went against the grain and said he felt Ward needed a significant punishment before being allowed back into the SGP.

 

Nothing scientific but it was interesting that those who pay to go and watch were far more forgiving.

Well chosen words PR.

 

ps. Its not as if Pete Adams has any personal axe to grind either!!!!!?

Edited October 11, 2014 by Skidder1

[Star Lady]

 

 

Nothing scientific but it was interesting that those who pay to go and watch were far more forgiving.

 

Which is the opposite to the majority of views on here.

 

Probably why it's best to let the authorities decide.

 

Has anyone done a poll of the other GP riders? Now that would be interesting. Feel free to borrow my idea Mr R

[pandorum]

JUST come back from a 'talk-in' with over 100 TravelPlus punters in Torun during which they were asked to raise their hands if they wished to see Ward get a wild card (if possible) and it was almost a unanimous yes vote.

 

I would also point out that Pete Adams went against the grain and said he felt Ward needed a significant punishment before being allowed back into the SGP.

 

Nothing scientific but it was interesting that those who pay to go and watch were far more forgiving.

Hopefully he will be judged on his crime rather than his popularity.

I think he is a great rider and always livened up GPs but the point is he turned up with alcohol in his system and could have endangered himself and those he rode against.

It's not as if he is some clean cut rider who fell from grace because he heard some bad news.

Ward lied his arce off about that as well by all accounts and made the pathetic excuse that he should have hydrated instead of the blindingly obvious conclusion that perhaps he should not drink the night before a meeting.

The man deserves all he gets and he must be seen to be punished or else the sports rules will be seen as even more of a joke.

A 12 month ban seems fair and perhaps if he is contrite maybe a wild card for 2016.

[PHILIPRISING]

 

Which is the opposite to the majority of views on here.

 

Probably why it's best to let the authorities decide.

 

Has anyone done a poll of the other GP riders? Now that would be interesting. Feel free to borrow my idea Mr R

CAN tell you that most GP riders I have spoken to are in favour of alcohol tests for all riders before every GP.

[Star Lady]

So I'd take that to infer that they would be in favour of a ban. Or would I be wrong

[Daniel Smith]

ANYONE who thinks that Monster will have or can have any influence on whatever decision the FIM eventually come to is barking up the wrong tree.

 

I very much doubt that Ward is a big deal for Monster anyway.. Having (hope I'm not being too presumptuous here) had the last three World Champions in Holder, Woffinden and Hancock they are more than happy with that trio.

 

Was actually very impressed at today's Press Conference at which Joe Parsons spoke eloquently about why Monster see speedway as the perfect fit for their products and their marketing strategy. And why they have renewed their contract for a further three years.

You are correct on your 1st part but if Ward is free to compete in 2015 I have no doubt Monster will push for Ward to get a wildcard. It wouldn't surprise me if they've stipulated it in their renewed contact.

 

Everybody knows in the right frame of mind Darcy is World Champion material and Monster want part of that. This was seen with Woffinden. Started last year's World Championship bear on sponsorship, then starts floating around the top of the leaderboard, BANG, Monster sponsorship done.

 

These guys want their name topping the charts, that means including Darcy. It all comes down to the FIM decision though. If he's cleared he'll be in the 2015 series, no doubt.

 

Hopefully the FIM make the right decision though and that's at least a 2 year ban with the 2nd year suspended with Ward having to take a test at every meeting including league meetings.

Edited October 11, 2014 by screamer

[scribbler]

JUST come back from a 'talk-in' with over 100 TravelPlus punters in Torun during which they were asked to raise their hands if they wished to see Ward get a wild card (if possible) and it was almost a unanimous yes vote.

 

I would also point out that Pete Adams went against the grain and said he felt Ward needed a significant punishment before being allowed back into the SGP.

 

Nothing scientific but it was interesting that those who pay to go and watch were far more forgiving.

 

I'm (almost) sure your comment - the last sentence - was unintentional... But it read as if the opinions of those able to attend were more important.

 

There are many reasons why people cannot physically attend events - family commitments, financial hardships, disability - to name just three that immediately come to mind. Perhaps you are paid to attend - or perhaps not...

 

The consensus may be that those unable to attend have thought long and hard about their opinions on 'the Ward issue'. Sometimes a quick 'hands-up' exercise after a question has been asked results in an artificial response as people watch what others do/don't do. I wouldn't say your 'audience' were far more forgiving - just far less thoughtful about the whole scenario. The question they were asked was - I think - worded so that you got the answer that you wanted - and you did.

[The White Knight]

 

I'm (almost) sure your comment - the last sentence - was unintentional... But it read as if the opinions of those able to attend were more important.

 

There are many reasons why people cannot physically attend events - family commitments, financial hardships, disability - to name just three that immediately come to mind. Perhaps you are paid to attend - or perhaps not...

 

The consensus may be that those unable to attend have thought long and hard about their opinions on 'the Ward issue'. Sometimes a quick 'hands-up' exercise after a question has been asked results in an artificial response as people watch what others do/don't do. I wouldn't say your 'audience' were far more forgiving - just far less thoughtful about the whole scenario. The question they were asked was - I think - worded so that you got the answer that you wanted - and you did.

Which is why Trades Unions have to have secret Ballots.

[Triple.H.]

 

I'm (almost) sure your comment - the last sentence - was unintentional... But it read as if the opinions of those able to attend were more important.

 

There are many reasons why people cannot physically attend events - family commitments, financial hardships, disability - to name just three that immediately come to mind. Perhaps you are paid to attend - or perhaps not...

 

The consensus may be that those unable to attend have thought long and hard about their opinions on 'the Ward issue'. Sometimes a quick 'hands-up' exercise after a question has been asked results in an artificial response as people watch what others do/don't do. I wouldn't say your 'audience' were far more forgiving - just far less thoughtful about the whole scenario. The question they were asked was - I think - worded so that you got the answer that you wanted - and you did.

 

I think Phil has just done a straw poll of people thugh those people happen to be fans,maybe they were all Poole fans so they said they would like DW to get a 2015 wild card,he could have asked another 100 people and got a totally different answer but unless you were there how can you say the question was loaded so they gave the answer reqd

my bit is the last paragraph dunno why quotes appearing different

regards

the technophobe

Edited October 11, 2014 by Triple.H.

[Humphrey Appleby]

JUST come back from a 'talk-in' with over 100 TravelPlus punters in Torun during which they were asked to raise their hands if they wished to see Ward get a wild card (if possible) and it was almost a unanimous yes vote. .

Not sure what that says about the quality of Travel Plus (thought they hadn't been mentioned for a while) punters...

[speedwayfun]

So was darcy ward as p... as a parrot or was he slightly over which would have affected his conrol of a motorbike

 

as have many on here had drinks earlier in the evening and thought they were clear?

 

 

of course all you clever holier than others have never done this have you!!

[The White Knight]

So was darcy ward as p... as a parrot or was he slightly over which would have affected his conrol of a motorbike

 

as have many on here had drinks earlier in the evening and thought they were clear?

 

 

of course all you clever holier than others have never done this have you!!

No!!!

[Ghostwalker]

1. So was darcy ward as p... as a parrot or was he slightly over which would have affected his conrol of a motorbike

 

2. as have many on here had drinks earlier in the evening and thought they were clear?

 

3. of course all you clever holier than others have never done this have you!!

 

1. He was over the allowed limit of alcohol. Doesn't matterif he think he was clean or not. He was over the limit.

He should not drink alcohol beverages the night before a Grand Prix and especially not the amount that will cause

him fail a test by midday the next day.

 

2. What relevance does it have? If you drink then drive and fail the breathalyser test because you are over the limit, you have to take the consequences.

 

3. No I have not. I don't drink and drive.

[pandorum]

So was darcy ward as p... as a parrot or was he slightly over which would have affected his conrol of a motorbike

 

as have many on here had drinks earlier in the evening and thought they were clear?

 

 

of course all you clever holier than others have never done this have you!!

I have been drunk many times but never drove a car or operated machinery the next day but I too don't see the relevance that others have done the same thing it somehow vindicates Ward.

We are not on trial here as we did not drink a lot of alcohol the night before a GP.

Ward did that and deserves to be punished.

He lied about his bad news that too should be taken into account.

Frankly they should throw the book at him but He is responsible and He deserves to pay the price whatever that price is.

[OveFundinFan]

So was darcy ward as p... as a parrot or was he slightly over which would have affected his conrol of a motorbike

 

as have many on here had drinks earlier in the evening and thought they were clear?

 

 

of course all you clever holier than others have never done this have you!!

Think you missed a very important point...

he is a professional speedway rider, taking part in a high speed sport where he and 3 others risk their lives each time they take to the track.

No one can afford to ride with anything that might impair their judgement which would affect the safety oof themselves, and more important, the safety of others.

There are rules to protect him, and others, and he broke those rules..

Edited October 11, 2014 by OveFundinFan

[Trees]

He thought he was OK though obviously.

[mtommo]

Think you missed a very important point...

he is a professional speedway rider, taking part in a high speed sport where he and 3 others risk their lives each time they take to the track.

No one can afford to ride with anything that might impair their judgement which would affect the safety oof themselves, and more important, the safety of others.

you are correct but I have this nasty feeling that he will get a 6 month ban back dated from when it happened and will be back riding in a month or two then you watch him get a wild card for the gp`s

[Ghostwalker]

you are correct but I have this nasty feeling that he will get a 6 month ban back dated from when it happened and will be back riding in a

month or two then you watch him get a wild card for the gp`s

 

If the FIA would give him a very short ban, I think that Wada might step in and appeal the decision to CAS since Wards (like I said a few posts ago)

that Ward did not only violate FIM's rules but also Wada's anti-doping rules which FIM have implemented into their own rules.

 

I also think that the long delay might be due to that this, after all, is a prejudice ( in speedway at least) and FIM probably

wants to make sure they have water tight case as well as that the punishment will be adequate enough since it

probably would be used for future references if this situation would happen again.