The White Knight Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 So the test wasnt carried out properly the equipment wasnt tested or calibrated as per manufacturers specs. Just let him off and we can all move on after the lastest sorry storey in the life of Ward. It doesn't matter. Ward admitted the offence on Television. He IS guilty on his own admission - all that is needed now is the Sentence from the relevant Authorities. As I said before, if Ward is found guilty by the FIM his only recourse is through the Court of Arbitration for Sport. If he is found not guilty, his recourse for compensation may be through the same route or possibly through the Swiss court as that is where the FIM is based. However, Swiss courts have been reluctant in the past to get involved in these sort of issues and that's probably why a number of International sporting bodies are incorporated there. No IF about Norbold. As I said above - Ward admitted the offence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 First of all let me say that I am at one with all those who say that Ward should be suspended, fined and certainly not be allowed to take part in the 2015 GP series. However, there IS a legal IF whether we like it or not. Ward admitted to drinking the night before BUT if it is found that the equipment used to test him was faulty, he could get off on a technicality. I certainly hope that doesn't happen but you can't say there is no IF about it as clearly there is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 First of all let me say that I am at one with all those who say that Ward should be suspended, fined and certainly not be allowed to take part in the 2015 GP series. However, there IS a legal IF whether we like it or not. Ward admitted to drinking the night before BUT if it is found that the equipment used to test him was faulty, he could get off on a technicality. I certainly hope that doesn't happen but you can't say there is no IF about it as clearly there is. Mmmm - I take your point Norbold. Thank you - you are right. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 It doesn't matter. Ward admitted the offence on Television. He IS guilty on his own admission - all that is needed now is the Sentence from the relevant Authorities. No IF about Norbold. As I said above - Ward admitted the offence. He admitted drinking the night before, which is not an offence itself. He admitted having too many, which was prompted by fsiling the test - if the test itself was faulty or improply administered that surely "voids" his confession. NOTHING to do with a Latvian GP. If (not saying it will happen!) the FIM are found to have suspended a rider who is subsequently found not guilty of the charge are they open to litigation?Can't think of any instances where a sports governing body have been successfully sued for an incorrect or improperly administered suspension. Plenty of footballers have been suspended due to incorrect decisions for example, without the fa being sued. Happens in cricket too, those bowlers wit weird actions are suspended whilst it is investigated. after being reported don't they get to keep playing while the analytics team do their work? Could be wrong but pretty sure likes of murali and kane williamson weren't suspended? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Suarez didnt play after he was suspended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 He admitted drinking the night before, which is not an offence itself. He admitted having too many, which was prompted by fsiling the test - if the test itself was faulty or improply administered that surely "voids" his confession. Can't think of any instances where a sports governing body have been successfully sued for an incorrect or improperly administered suspension. Plenty of footballers have been suspended due to incorrect decisions for example, without the fa being sued. after being reported don't they get to keep playing while the analytics team do their work? Could be wrong but pretty sure likes of murali and kane williamson weren't suspended? Not suspended, but not allowed to bowl. Not a problem for Williamson who is worth his place as a batsman. I think the the West Indies spinner Shane Shillingford was allowed to play, but forbidden from bowling his doosra. Saeed Ajmal is currently suspended until he can remodel his action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 (edited) NOTHING to do with a Latvian GP. If (not saying it will happen!) the FIM are found to have suspended a rider who is subsequently found not guilty of the charge are they open to litigation?.If Darcy's legal team really can argue the case of wrong protocols, successfully And get him off free of a further ban. Then the the guy REALLY would be a prize idiot to take further legal steps of any type. He should count his blessings and get back on his bike, racing, as soon as possible. Oh, and he definitely should NOT go out on the lash to celebrate! . Edited October 6, 2014 by Grand Central 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 Can't think of any instances where a sports governing body have been successfully sued for an incorrect or improperly administered suspension. Plenty of footballers have been suspended due to incorrect decisions for example, without the fa being sued. How many have actually tried? However, it's not quite the same thing as yellow and red cards are largely an on-field summary judgement by the officials which is largely accepted by the competitors. Doping and alcohol testing is not only a scientific process, but the ramifications for those failing are generally much higher than for an on-field offence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 Michael Phelps was recently arrested for a drink-driving offence late September this year. He has now been suspended for 6 months from all competition. The ban will end 6th April 2015, but USA Swimming say Phelps will NOT be chosen to represent the US in the World Championship in August 2015. Phelps has won 22 Olympic medals, bit more success then Darcy Ward, yet no leniency shown, and of course being under the influence of alcohol whilst swimming does not pose a threat to other competitors (unless I am missing something) 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 Michael Phelps was recently arrested for a drink-driving offence late September this year. He has now been suspended for 6 months from all competition. The ban will end 6th April 2015, but USA Swimming say Phelps will NOT be chosen to represent the US in the World Championship in August 2015. Phelps has won 22 Olympic medals, bit more success then Darcy Ward, yet no leniency shown, and of course being under the influence of alcohol whilst swimming does not pose a threat to other competitors (unless I am missing something) Swimming, I repeat swimming (no disrespect to swimmers out there), has an organised, neutral governance. Phelps front page headlines. Speedway, a far more exciting and in my opinion sellable sport, Darcy who? Highlights why we are where we are to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 (edited) Swimming, I repeat swimming (no disrespect to swimmers out there), has an organised, neutral governance. Phelps front page headlines. Speedway, a far more exciting and in my opinion sellable sport, Darcy who? Highlights why we are where we are to me. Not really.One reason and one reason only why swimmers and other sportmen and women are household names and that is because their relatively poorly attended sports are part of the Olympics.These sports disappear from view for 3.5 years and most people would have no idea who the new stars are until the Olympics start again Edited October 7, 2014 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phlipphlopp Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 Not really.One reason and one reason only why swimmers and other sportmen and women are household names and that is because their relatively poorly attended sports are part of the Olympics.These sports disappear from view for 3.5 years and most people would have no idea who the new stars are until the Olympics start again Although i'm gutted to agree , how many people apart from the Olympics can say they have watched a serious swimming event ? I'd guess speedway worldwide pulls a greater number of spectators each year , many , many times over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 Not really.One reason and one reason only why swimmers and other sportmen and women are household names and that is because their relatively poorly attended sports are part of the Olympics.These sports disappear from view for 3.5 years and most people would have no idea who the new stars are until the Olympics start again Not altogether accurate. World Championships, European Championships and Commonwealth Games are also watched in far bigger numbers than speedway (obviously due to BBC coverage). There's major swimming events every year, so its never out of the public eye for 3.5 years at a time. Swimming is also something the public can easily identify with.. how many take part in competitive swimming events up and down the country compared to speedway? That's without even going into the 'leisure' side of it. Although i'm gutted to agree , how many people apart from the Olympics can say they have watched a serious swimming event ? I'd guess speedway worldwide pulls a greater number of spectators each year , many , many times over. And swimming pulls in a greater number of tv viewers many, many, many, many more times over. A lot more people will have watched a serious swimming event on tv NOT including the Olympics than have even heard of Tai Woffinden. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phlipphlopp Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 Not altogether accurate. World Championships, European Championships and Commonwealth Games are also watched in far bigger numbers than speedway (obviously due to BBC coverage). There's major swimming events every year, so its never out of the public eye for 3.5 years at a time. Swimming is also something the public can easily identify with.. how many take part in competitive swimming events up and down the country compared to speedway? That's without even going into the 'leisure' side of it. And swimming pulls in a greater number of tv viewers many, many, many, many more times over. A lot more people will have watched a serious swimming event on tv NOT including the Olympics than have even heard of Tai Woffinden. And without TV ? Speedway wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 And without TV ? Speedway wins. Irrelevant, TV is and has always been there. Get the headlines and gain the attention. It's what you do with it that counts. Speedway is far from winning on that front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 And without TV ? Speedway wins. No it doesn't, I doubt it's even close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 Not really.One reason and one reason only why swimmers and other sportmen and women are household names and that is because their relatively poorly attended sports are part of the Olympics.These sports disappear from view for 3.5 years and most people would have no idea who the new stars are until the Olympics start again I have to disagree with that. At least in Sweden, swimming gets pretty good coverage between the Olympics. The various championships are usually aired live on tv.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 Has Darcy failed a swimming test now?? If so, I blame the chlorine!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 (edited) Has Darcy failed a swimming test now?? If so, I blame the chlorine!! How was he taking it? :rofl: Edited October 8, 2014 by The White Knight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 I have to disagree with that. At least in Sweden, swimming gets pretty good coverage between the Olympics. The various championships are usually aired live on tv.. I am not convinced just because something is on tv.Most of the time they just seem to be fillers not really on at prime time.Wouldn't be surprised if over the year speedway has more people watching it on tv and certainly more people attending professional meetings in GB and even Sweden(although that is a big guess).The results etc hardly ever make it into the newspapers or not that i have noticed and i reckon you have as much chance on the streets to find someone who knows a reigning European swimming champ as you would have of finding someone who knows the reigning European speedway champ and that goes for athletics as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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