Ghostwalker Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Arrived in Leszno Shame is when i Waked up i still feel sad from yesterday . Forgot to show i past GP test yesterday https://twitter.com/nickipedersenDK/status/511079567587823616 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bxe4J3ACUAAOT5D.jpg:large As you can see on the picture. The test is done indoors which IMO, minimizes the risk of a false positive from methanol fumes, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 All that picture proves is that in Vojens they tested indoors. Maybe a lesson has been learnt, who knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 All that picture proves is that in Vojens they tested indoors. Maybe a lesson has been learnt, who knows? Why would they do any different at another track? I am certain that FIM/Wada have quite strict rules for the testing process. and that those who claim that the test result was inaccurate just use it as an "excuse" to Darcy failing the breath test. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Why would they do any different at another track? I am certain that FIM/Wada have quite strict rules for the testing process. and that those who claim that the test result was inaccurate just use it as an "excuse" to Darcy failing the breath test. They test 3 riders at start of each meeting so If it was cause Ward was tested outside then how come the other 2 didn't fail as well? Ward didn't deny drinking. He just didn't see it as a problem and blamed the lack of water rather than the volume of alcohol. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK246 Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Why would they do any different at another track? I am certain that FIM/Wada have quite strict rules for the testing process. and that those who claim that the test result was inaccurate just use it as an "excuse" to Darcy failing the breath test. In ice racing the alcohol tests were always done in a separate medical room, they also carried out blood pressure and fitness/reaction tests at the same place. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Why would they do any different at another track? I am certain that FIM/Wada have quite strict rules for the testing process. and that those who claim that the test result was inaccurate just use it as an "excuse" to Darcy failing the breath test. (1) I'm not saying Darcy is innocent or guilty he's admitted having a drink the night before maybe the other 2 riders are teetotal so even if the tests were taken In a polluted area they would still get a pass whereas if you had a small amount of alcohol in your system the pollution would give you a fail. (2) The whole weekends organisation in Latvia was shambolic at the very best, in all the organised chaos mistakes could've been made. Why would they do any different at another track? I am certain that FIM/Wada have quite strict rules for the testing process. and that those who claim that the test result was inaccurate just use it as an "excuse" to Darcy failing the breath test. (1) I'm not saying Darcy is innocent or guilty he's admitted having a drink the night before maybe the other 2 riders are teetotal so even if the tests were taken In a polluted area they would still get a pass whereas if you had a small amount of alcohol in your system the pollution would give you a fail. (2) The whole weekends organisation in Latvia was shambolic at the very best, in all the organised chaos mistakes could've been made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 (1) I'm not saying Darcy is innocent or guilty he's admitted having a drink the night before maybe the other 2 riders are teetotal so even if the tests were taken In a polluted area they would still get a pass whereas if you had a small amount of alcohol in your system the pollution would give you a fail. (2) The whole weekends organisation in Latvia was shambolic at the very best, in all the organised chaos mistakes could've been made. Yes but I doubt that it is the local organizer who also do the breath tests? I would assume that it is a FIM responsibility. and that they have dedicated staff for the matter to ensure a proper testing procedure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Darcy has let the club down again and time and time again we use him. I think because he is such a talent we ignore what comes with him but how much more can you put up with, this will be a second playoff he will miss. Next year I hope Matt builds the team around Chris & Jack Holder and Brady Kurtz. Kyle Newman and Magic and Eddie or Lewis . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Yes but I doubt that it is the local organizer who also do the breath tests? I would assume that it is a FIM responsibility. and that they have dedicated staff for the matter to ensure a proper testing procedure? That without doubt is what all right thinking people would say and agree with, but has it not got monumental cockup written allover the whole weekends proceedings. I also totally agree with many on here that the SpeedwayStar should be far more critical of GPs when things go ** up,lets face it BSI are already hedging their bets for next years Horsens GP by making Vojens available as a nearby suitable replacement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 ALCOHOL tests at SGP events are held under the supervision of FIM officials but are usually conducted by the attending medical official or a policeman which I believe was the case in Daugavpils. The actual testing instrument will be supplied by those carrying out the procedure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 ALCOHOL tests at SGP events are held under the supervision of FIM officials but are usually conducted by the attending medical official or a policeman which I believe was the case in Daugavpils. The actual testing instrument will be supplied by those carrying out the procedure. Was Ward the only rider tested that day? Were other riders tested too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 Was Ward the only rider tested that day? Were other riders tested too? THEY always test three ... others were negative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 THEY always test three ... others were negative Then if Ward is going down the wonky testing kit route, surely it would be a non-starter, as the others would show faulty results to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 Then if Ward is going down the wonky testing kit route, surely it would be a non-starter, as the others would show faulty results to. NOT necessarily... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 NOT necessarily...Do you think he should be banned?? And do you think it's taking too long??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 PERSONALLY ... yes and yes. But for how long, that is the real question. Had the FIM acted swiftly after his failed test, promptly issuing a six months ban, Ward would most likely have accepted that, the dust would have settled fairly quickly and we could be moving on. Now we have to wait until a hearing is arranged, Darcy and his barrister present their argument, and the powers-that-be come to their conclusion. I realise there are many, including some who post vociferously on the bsf, who would like to see Ward hung, drawn and quartered. But there are many others, including myself, who would go down a different route, but with the caveat that all riders undertake alcohol tests at all SGP and SWC events. I don't see riders drunk or under the influence of alcohol turning up at SGP and SWC meetings. Although tests have been random, how many riders have failed over the past 10 years? Just one... The Poole and Ward haters will never be appeased but, and again this is nothing other than a personal view, I see no gain in throwing Ward out for a period of two years. Okay, let the flak begin... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 Don't think you should get any flak for expressing your opinion. I'd agree a 6 month ban would be about right, however, we then have the issue of the GP's and whether he should get a nomination for 2015 which clouds the issue. Give him a nomination and the ban seems superflous, but no nomination or being able to ride in the Aussie qualifiers brings us into the realm of greater punishment. Also, we have the issue (as you mention) of legal challenges by the Ward camp and (as mentioned in the Star of 6/9/14) that Middlo had advised him to look into whether the tests "were done in the correct manner". I think this approach from Ward and his advisors has the affect of hardening attitudes towards him as it makes it appear that no lesson was learnt. A feeling underlined when we hear Matt Ford saying "fingers crossed he gets away with it". Little wonder that people want to see such viewpoints come a cropper. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 (edited) PERSONALLY ... yes and yes. But for how long, that is the real question. Had the FIM acted swiftly after his failed test, promptly issuing a six months ban, Ward would most likely have accepted that, the dust would have settled fairly quickly and we could be moving on. Now we have to wait until a hearing is arranged, Darcy and his barrister present their argument, and the powers-that-be come to their conclusion. I realise there are many, including some who post vociferously on the bsf, who would like to see Ward hung, drawn and quartered. But there are many others, including myself, who would go down a different route, but with the caveat that all riders undertake alcohol tests at all SGP and SWC events. I don't see riders drunk or under the influence of alcohol turning up at SGP and SWC meetings. Although tests have been random, how many riders have failed over the past 10 years? Just one... The Poole and Ward haters will never be appeased but, and again this is nothing other than a personal view, I see no gain in throwing Ward out for a period of two years. Okay, let the flak begin... Alcohol is in motorsport considered a doping offence according to Wada's and FIM's rule. Surely since there isn't any "mistake" from his side (he didn't get intoxicated by mistake/he drank the alcohol on purpose) he should receive the same ban length as others who have been convicted of doping offence. Edited September 15, 2014 by Ghostwalker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 PERSONALLY ... yes and yes. But for how long, that is the real question. Had the FIM acted swiftly after his failed test, promptly issuing a six months ban, Ward would most likely have accepted that, the dust would have settled fairly quickly and we could be moving on. Now we have to wait until a hearing is arranged, Darcy and his barrister present their argument, and the powers-that-be come to their conclusion. I realise there are many, including some who post vociferously on the bsf, who would like to see Ward hung, drawn and quartered. But there are many others, including myself, who would go down a different route, but with the caveat that all riders undertake alcohol tests at all SGP and SWC events. I don't see riders drunk or under the influence of alcohol turning up at SGP and SWC meetings. Although tests have been random, how many riders have failed over the past 10 years? Just one... The Poole and Ward haters will never be appeased but, and again this is nothing other than a personal view, I see no gain in throwing Ward out for a period of two years. Okay, let the flak begin... PERSONALLY ... yes and yes. But for how long, that is the real question. Had the FIM acted swiftly after his failed test, promptly issuing a six months ban, Ward would most likely have accepted that, the dust would have settled fairly quickly and we could be moving on. Now we have to wait until a hearing is arranged, Darcy and his barrister present their argument, and the powers-that-be come to their conclusion. I realise there are many, including some who post vociferously on the bsf, who would like to see Ward hung, drawn and quartered. But there are many others, including myself, who would go down a different route, but with the caveat that all riders undertake alcohol tests at all SGP and SWC events. I don't see riders drunk or under the influence of alcohol turning up at SGP and SWC meetings. Although tests have been random, how many riders have failed over the past 10 years? Just one... The Poole and Ward haters will never be appeased but, and again this is nothing other than a personal view, I see no gain in throwing Ward out for a period of two years. Okay, let the flak begin... Agreed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 Alcohol is in motorsport considered a doping offence according to Wada's and FIM's rule. Surely since there isn't any "mistake" from his side (he didn't get intoxicated by mistake/he drank the alcohol on purpose) he should receive the same ban length as others who have been convicted of doping offence. I DON"T see everything as black and white but agree those handing out the punishment, should it come to that, might not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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