PHILIPRISING Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 NOT sure BSI/IMG are worried about Russians as such. No TV deals there, no commercial gain. But Emil will put bums on seats anywhere in my opinion. In fact, I did hear a whisper that European companies could be barred from being involved with events in Russia as part of the recent sanctions imposed by the EU. Haven't seen any confirmation as yet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 NOT sure BSI/IMG are worried about Russians as such. No TV deals there, no commercial gain. But Emil will put bums on seats anywhere in my opinion. In fact, I did hear a whisper that European companies could be barred from being involved with events in Russia as part of the recent sanctions imposed by the EU. Haven't seen any confirmation as yet... Dont they have F1 there later this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 Correc he isn't as good, he is better. At an equivalent age Ward is well ahead of where Loram was. At no point in Lorams career was anyone ever saying he could go on to win multi world titles. Indeed it was something of a shock when he did win one... something he never got close to repeating. Loram was a very good, exciting rider for sure, but apart from that one season where the format suited and he had some luck (which most champions need to be fair) he was just below the top echelon of riders. is he? Mark won the Commenwealth title and world semi final in 1994 when i believe he would have been 23. Darcy is talked about as a multi world champion by those who think its due to his age. He cant gate similar to Mark which at the very top level is an achilles heel. You need to be ultra consistent like Mark was in 2000. Darcy isnt at a stage where like Greg and Tai he makes regular finals. Mark was just below the very very top level but the standard around then was so much better than now. In 1995 Mark came 6th behind Neilsen Ermolenko, Rickardsson, Hamill and Hancock. How many world titles among them? Below him were Gollob Havelock, 2 other world champions, and Louis who the previous year was 3rd. You dont get lucky winning a gp series. you can on a one off final but over 6 rounds or 12 as it is now it tends to be the best who win it. Nobody talked about Mark as a multi world champion because of the era he was in and the class around him. There still isnt much in the way of credible up and coming oppostion. When Greg and Nicki retire it should be a 3 horse race between Tai Iversen and Ward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 is he? Mark won the Commenwealth title and world semi final in 1994 when i believe he would have been 23. Darcy is talked about as a multi world champion by those who think its due to his age. He cant gate similar to Mark which at the very top level is an achilles heel. You need to be ultra consistent like Mark was in 2000. Darcy isnt at a stage where like Greg and Tai he makes regular finals. Mark was just below the very very top level but the standard around then was so much better than now. In 1995 Mark came 6th behind Neilsen Ermolenko, Rickardsson, Hamill and Hancock. How many world titles among them? Below him were Gollob Havelock, 2 other world champions, and Louis who the previous year was 3rd. You dont get lucky winning a gp series. you can on a one off final but over 6 rounds or 12 as it is now it tends to be the best who win it. Nobody talked about Mark as a multi world champion because of the era he was in and the class around him. There still isnt much in the way of credible up and coming oppostion. When Greg and Nicki retire it should be a 3 horse race between Tai Iversen and Ward. What no Poles??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 Dont they have F1 there later this year? EXISTING contract so would assume that is exempt... What no Poles??? Or a certain Russian... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 What no Poles??? Which Pole do you see challenging? Kasprzak? possibly Hampel? Had his chances Janowski? Need to be in it and isnt good enough yet Dudek? Possibly Cant see the Poles challenging EXISTING contract so would assume that is exempt... Or a certain Russian... got to be in it first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 Can those that are on twitter please confirm that Peter Oakes has tweeted the FIM Jury hearing is this coming week?! What he tweeted was, "@oakes_pe: So we'll have to wait until next week at earliest for any FIM news on @D_Dublu_racing" Note: "at earliest" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 (edited) Sure I read somewhere that Bernie Ecclestone was monitoring the Russian/Ukraine situation and if need be could pull the race. Putin is probably scared of Bernie too. Edited August 24, 2014 by Triple.H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 NOT sure BSI/IMG are worried about Russians as such. No TV deals there, no commercial gain. But Emil will put bums on seats anywhere in my opinion. In fact, I did hear a whisper that European companies could be barred from being involved with events in Russia as part of the recent sanctions imposed by the EU. Haven't seen any confirmation as yet... What commercial gain do they get from having Chris Harris You are right of course but they would be fools to not include either Laguta or Emil if they can as commercial gain or not they thrill the crowd and few do that nowadays. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 Sure I read somewhere that Bernie Ecclestone was monitoring the Russian/Ukraine situation and if need be could pull the race. Putin is probably scared of Bernie too. Bernie is more scary than Obama and Cameron, that's for sure.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 Sure I read somewhere that Bernie Ecclestone was monitoring the Russian/Ukraine situation and if need be could pull the race. In a TV interview yesterday, Bernie said he couldn't understand why there'd be any objection to the Sochi race. But then he was on top form and didn't give a straight answer to any of the questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 I totaly agree with you, Ward is so talented its like when I used to watch Mauger in the early 70's he was so ultra professional, but I much perfered to watch Olsen. Then came along Collins & Morton who I would much rather watch than say Simmo. Its like Rickardsson, what a rdier, but for me in that same era give me Gollob any day of the week to watch for sheer excitment. Take Adams do smooth year in year out, but give me Loran or Screen any day. Such a lot of sheer talent of riders like Cook st Ipswich Ott at Wimbledon had eminence natural ability on a bike. The point that I'm making is I would find Wrad far more entertaning to watch than Hancock or Woffinden, I do think Woffinden can go on to be a Multi World champion. Will Ward be world champion, big question mark now, if he is not it will not be the lack of ability, the onlything to stop him his himself! I don't know if you are a new comer to speedway you state that Ward has won no world titles I will reminder you that Ward has won 2 WORLD under 21 titles. :rofl: FIFTY YEARS of experience this year. :rofl: As regards Ward's Under 21 Titles - if I had meant Under 21 Titles - I would have said that - I didn't - I said WORLD TITLES. Now - how many WORLD TITLES has Ward got - it's easy - you won't need a Calculator. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 :rofl: FIFTY YEARS of experience this year. :rofl: As regards Ward's Under 21 Titles - if I had meant Under 21 Titles - I would have said that - I didn't - I said WORLD TITLES. Now - how many WORLD TITLES has Ward got - it's easy - you won't need a Calculator. You didn't specify speedway titles......so Ward has got one world title http://tinyurl.com/mtl3ltd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 :rofl: FIFTY YEARS of experience this year. :rofl: As regards Ward's Under 21 Titles - if I had meant Under 21 Titles - I would have said that - I didn't - I said WORLD TITLES. Now - how many WORLD TITLES has Ward got - it's easy - you won't need a Calculator. TWK I would've thought the U21s WORLD Championship is a giveaway that it's a WORLD Championship. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 TWK I would've thought the U21s WORLD Championship is a giveaway that it's a WORLD Championship. I suspect that everyone on here knew exactly what I meant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 is he? Mark won the Commenwealth title and world semi final in 1994 when i believe he would have been 23. Darcy is talked about as a multi world champion by those who think its due to his age. He cant gate similar to Mark which at the very top level is an achilles heel. You need to be ultra consistent like Mark was in 2000. Darcy isnt at a stage where like Greg and Tai he makes regular finals. Mark was just below the very very top level but the standard around then was so much better than now. In 1995 Mark came 6th behind Neilsen Ermolenko, Rickardsson, Hamill and Hancock. How many world titles among them? Below him were Gollob Havelock, 2 other world champions, and Louis who the previous year was 3rd. You dont get lucky winning a gp series. you can on a one off final but over 6 rounds or 12 as it is now it tends to be the best who win it. Nobody talked about Mark as a multi world champion because of the era he was in and the class around him. There still isnt much in the way of credible up and coming oppostion. When Greg and Nicki retire it should be a 3 horse race between Tai Iversen and Ward. Loram i loved as a rider but when he won it,it was a flawed system he was no way the best rider in the world.He did what he had to and grabbed his chance but he was never ever considered the best.Also you are under selling who are around now, if Emil comes back and hopefully Pawlicki gets there and there are a few sniffing around not far off making the breakthrough the future looks quite bright. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 (edited) I suspect that everyone on here knew exactly what I meant. So what you are implying is that I failed to read your post correctly. If you look carefully I'm over here in the " I failed miserably in reading the whole post and letting it register before posting a reply corner" Edited August 24, 2014 by Triple.H. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 Loram i loved as a rider but when he won it,it was a flawed system he was no way the best rider in the world.He did what he had to and grabbed his chance but he was never ever considered the best.Also you are under selling who are around now, if Emil comes back and hopefully Pawlicki gets there and there are a few sniffing around not far off making the breakthrough the future looks quite bright.why was the system flawed I don't get your reasoning. It was the system where 1st and 2nd went through. It benefitted Rickardsson more than anyone who won a race of gate 1 and pretty much kept it through to the final where as Mark had to scrimp and feed on scraps and start from all different places on the grid. It was the same for everyone and Mark made every semi that year so in the gp's he was a deserved world champion. True around the leagues Rickardsson was the better rider but he had the same chance as Mark to be world champion but missed out. The system meant the most consistent rider was world champion and that in the gp's was Mark Loram. If Tai goes on to retain his title can we honestly say that he is the best this season as his league performances have been dreadful. He is if world champion the most consistent rider in the gp's which is where it counts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 (edited) why was the system flawed I don't get your reasoning. It was the system where 1st and 2nd went through. It benefitted Rickardsson more than anyone who won a race of gate 1 and pretty much kept it through to the final where as Mark had to scrimp and feed on scraps and start from all different places on the grid. It was the same for everyone and Mark made every semi that year so in the gp's he was a deserved world champion. True around the leagues Rickardsson was the better rider but he had the same chance as Mark to be world champion but missed out. The system meant the most consistent rider was world champion and that in the gp's was Mark Loram. If Tai goes on to retain his title can we honestly say that he is the best this season as his league performances have been dreadful. He is if world champion the most consistent rider in the gp's which is where it counts The system meant you didn't have to win races. 2nd places was fine, even throw in the odd 3rd place.. Thus a 3rd 2nd 3rd 2nd was just as good as 1st 1st 1st 1st. You didn't have to be the most consistent rider either. It was an exciting system, but a flawed one. Loram was the only rider in the history of the GP's to be World Champion without winning a GP too. Incidentally, there is quite a quirk in that season's GP.... If you take the top 3 Loram, Rickardsson and Hamill... and calculate there standard 4 rider average over the GP all of them come out at 8.14! Hamill 15 (6) 2 (2) 17 (7) 0 (2) 15 (7) 10 (5) Loram 16 (7) 10(4) 7 (4) 8 (4) 7 (4) 9 (5) Rickardsson 7 (4) 9 (4) 11 (5) 9 (5) 3 (3) 16 (6) Hamill 59 29 8.14 Rickardsson 55 27 8.14 Loram 57 28 8.14 How bizarre is that? Edited August 24, 2014 by BWitcher 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 So what you are implying is that I failed to read your post correctly. If you look carefully I'm over here in the " I failed miserably in reading the whole post and letting it register before posting a reply corner" Only where you deserve to be. Extra homework for you my lad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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