Starman2006 Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 Its laughable that people compare Nicki and Darcy. Ones been a multi world champion the other had achieved little of note so far. Nicki has been at the top rank of world speedway for over 10 years. Darcy hasn't really managed 1 year so far. Nicki has so much dedication and the correct attitude and Ward is just a troubled fool. As said many times its up to Ward to become a great but he doesn't seem to have the mentality. Ward will be remembered like a Kelly Moran the way he is going. Darcy not managed one year ? Think you need to do your research pal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 (edited) A troubled fool do you know the bloke personally? i also remember Kelly as a much loved rider mega talented a great racer and i have never heard a bad word about Kelly.Gavan at times you spout total rubbish we all GET!!!! you don't like Ward but give it a rest.! No there has not been much written that is too bad about the guy. Most decent folk draw a line when someone has died. Just as was rightly done when Charles Kennedy recently passed away. But do not let the dignified way in which their drink problems were discussed disguise the damage that it caused to not just them, but to others such as their family friends and other relationships. A little commonsense needs to be applied when discussing, and understanding, some matters. Edited June 29, 2015 by Grand Central 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 Darcy not managed one year ? Think you need to do your research pal. lol your pathetic. Lets take a look at Darcys record in the world championship then you tell me in your brainless little world if you think he has done a full year in the world championship. 2011 - one wildcard appearance 2012 - declined a wildcard 2013 - finished 8th and missed 3 gp's with injury 2014 - got to drunk to finish the series so yes he HAS HARDLY DONE ONE SEASON!!! what planet are you on??? Compare Nicki's record 2000 - 20th 2001 - 11th 2002 - 12th 2003 - 1st 2004 - 5th 2005 - 4th 2006 - 3rd 2007 -1st 2008 -1st 2009 -6th 2010 - 10th 2011 - 10th 2012 - 2nd 2013 - 5th 2014 -3rd Think young Ward has quite some way to go before being mentioned in the same breath as Nicki All time greats he would not even get a mention, for me i could name twenty better riders than him and who were all more fairer and more liked than Pedersen. A troubled fool do you know the bloke personally? i also remember Kelly as a much loved rider mega talented a great racer and i have never heard a bad word about Kelly.Gavan at times you spout total rubbish we all GET!!!! you don't like Ward but give it a rest.! name me 20 riders who have a better record than Nicki? I cant stand Pedersen as a rider but you are talking rubbish to name 20 riders who have achieved more. Of course there are fairer and better liked riders but talking about greats has nothing to do with how fair they are or how well liked they are. And with regards to Kelly Moran im merely pointing out he tarnished his reputation with a lot of his off track antics and Ward is doing the same. I have heard numerous stories about Kelly Moran mainly from a good friend of mine who was Mark Lorams mechanic in the late 80's early 90's. He was South African and he has told us some of the things that Kelly got up to whilst in South Africa. It of course is sad he is no longer here but his 'lifestyle' definatly affected what he achieved. I have no issue with Ward , the boy just isn't a nice human being. All the talent in the world but continually fails to show it. After that stunning wildcard appearance in 2011 did you or anyone think we would be midway through 2015 and he isn't in the series and the best he has finished is 8th? Its nothing to do with his riding but his off track activitys. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 (edited) All time greats he would not even get a mention, for me i could name twenty better riders than him and who were all more fairer and more liked than Pedersen. No you couldnt, regardless of stature, you simply could not name 20 better riders.... But dont let facts get in the way Sid, because the facts will prove you wrong.... Again You're debating skills are atrocious and almost none existent, constantly thinking your opinion outweighs facts. You big wuss Jimmy played for west ham first team, his twin brother tommy only good enough for west hams youths at the same time....jimmy was an arsehole and liked to leave his foot in, got 4 red cards more than tommy...so tommys the better player?? This is as absurd as somethinking Tyson was better than Lewis!! Absolutley ridiculous Edited June 29, 2015 by Arson fire 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 Your trying to make out he races drunk most of the time whereas in truth he made one mistake and has paid the priceTo be fair, he failed a test one time. That doesn't mean that he was never over the limit at other meetings, just that he wasn't tested at those ones. There were a good few people telling us that he didn't look like he was under the influence at all in Daugavpils and yet he was well over the limit...Maybe he has never raced like that before or maybe he regularly did...We will never know. All riders should be tested before a GP not just random tests..............when you look back at the 80's and 90's and earlier how many riders got on a bike having had a pint before hand............. I wish people would stop thinking he is going to do it again...........there is no guarantee he will there is no guarantee he won't but I would say the chances are he won't.............. As I have said many times before, I don't understand why riders aren't routinely tested before EVERY meeting. It's cheap, quick and easy to carry out a breath test. Why is it only being done randomly for a few riders in a few meetings? Test every rider at every meeting. If they are over the limit, they are out the meeting but can race the next day if they are sober again...Lengthy bans like Darcy has suffered wouldn't be needed if everyone was tested at every meeting. The length of ban is being used as a deterrent, and that makes sense for drug tests which are more expensive and time consuming to carry out, but makes no sense for alcohol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 No there has not been much written that is too bad about the guy. Most decent folk draw a line when someone has died. Just as was rightly done when Charles Kennedy recently passed away. But do not let the dignified way in which their drink problems were discussed disguise the damage that it caused to not just them, but to others such as their family friends and other relationships. A little commonsense needs to be applied when discussing, and understanding, some matters. The problems he had were an illness which endless people in this country have but in the speedway circle Kelly was very popular. No you couldnt, regardless of stature, you simply could not name 20 better riders.... But dont let facts get in the way Sid, because the facts will prove you wrong.... Again You're debating skills are atrocious and almost none existent, constantly thinking your opinion outweighs facts. You big wuss Jimmy played for west ham first team, his twin brother tommy only good enough for west hams youths at the same time....jimmy was an arsehole and liked to leave his foot in, got 4 red cards more than tommy...so tommys the better player?? This is as absurd as somethinking Tyson was better than Lewis!! Absolutley ridiculous Couldnt resist calling names trying to get a reaction sad man,read your post you are a bit two CERTAIN for your own good Arson and your opinion is no better than mine.In a all time top time 20 where does FACT come into it ? different era's different opinion's ( if we are aloud one? ) oops i don't agree with Arson (who has a love in with Nicky!! ) so i must be wrong.You could get a hundred people's opinions about an all time top 20,and they would all be different FACT does not come into it now Arson do me a favour go and put your feet up take it easy and have a kip you don't want to over do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozrik Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 Darcy Ward's ban has ended. Does anyone know who he is riding for now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 Darcy Ward's ban has ended. Does anyone know who he is riding for now? Torun in Poland and due to be announced for Swindon in the uk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 To be fair, he failed a test one time. That doesn't mean that he was never over the limit at other meetings, just that he wasn't tested at those ones. There were a good few people telling us that he didn't look like he was under the influence at all in Daugavpils and yet he was well over the limit...Maybe he has never raced like that before or maybe he regularly did...We will never know. As I have said many times before, I don't understand why riders aren't routinely tested before EVERY meeting. It's cheap, quick and easy to carry out a breath test. Why is it only being done randomly for a few riders in a few meetings? Test every rider at every meeting. If they are over the limit, they are out the meeting but can race the next day if they are sober again...Lengthy bans like Darcy has suffered wouldn't be needed if everyone was tested at every meeting. The length of ban is being used as a deterrent, and that makes sense for drug tests which are more expensive and time consuming to carry out, but makes no sense for alcohol. Also just because he failed one test doesnt mean he was ever on a track over the limit at another time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 There is no doubt that in the "modern" era you just simply could not find 20 riders with a better record than Nicki Pedersen. You'd be hard pushed to find 10. We then, of course, get into the argument about whether we should consider riders like Jack Parker and Vic Duggan, but, in a way, that's another issue. On the subject of his riding "tactics", I wrote a book a few years ago called "Two Wimbledon Legends" about Ronnie Moore and Barry Briggs. Here are a couple of quotes from his own team mates about Briggo, "Barry had to go flat out, it was the only way he could ride. He wasn't exactly out of control, but he wasn't always in control either. If he came up on the inside of you and got some grip he was liable to bash into you." [Alf Hagon]; "I had a season riding with Barry - oh my God! I would gate, then leave a foot of room in case he wanted to come through. Usually, by the next bend, he would not just come through, but he would 'hang' me on the fence. Briggo was a selfish rider." [bob Andrews]. And that's his own team mates! But do we ever exclude Briggo from the 'greatest ever' lists because of the way he rode? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 The problems he had were an illness which endless people in this country have but in the speedway circle Kelly was very popular. Couldnt resist calling names trying to get a reaction sad man,read your post you are a bit two CERTAIN for your own good Arson and your opinion is no better than mine.In a all time top time 20 where does FACT come into it ? different era's different opinion's ( if we are aloud one? ) oops i don't agree with Arson (who has a love in with Nicky!! ) so i must be wrong.You could get a hundred people's opinions about an all time top 20,and they would all be different FACT does not come into it now Arson do me a favour go and put your feet up take it easy and have a kip you don't want to over do it. Kelly Moran died of an illness Sidney. During his speedway career he wasnt ill , he just lived the party life and basically he could have achieved a whole lot more if he dedicated himself to the sport. This is where im comparing him to Ward or are you not clever enough to see it!! Im sure me an Arson are waiting still for you to come of with 20 riders who were greater than Nicki Pedersen??????? My all time favourite rider was Mark Loram. Do i think Mark is a nicer guy than Nicki? Absolutly Do i think Mark was more exciting? Absolutly Do i think Mark was a fairer rider? Absolutly Was Mark greater than Nicki? Absolutly Not Get your head out your backside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 The problems he had were an illness which endless people in this country have but in the speedway circle Kelly was very popular. Couldnt resist calling names trying to get a reaction sad man,read your post you are a bit two CERTAIN for your own good Arson and your opinion is no better than mine.In a all time top time 20 where does FACT come into it ? different era's different opinion's ( if we are aloud one? ) oops i don't agree with Arson (who has a love in with Nicky!! ) so i must be wrong.You could get a hundred people's opinions about an all time top 20,and they would all be different FACT does not come into it now Arson do me a favour go and put your feet up take it easy and have a kip you don't want to over do it. You could, but 99 of them would almost certainly have Nicki Pedersen in there.. the 100th one being you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 Nicki Pedersen will never be a legend of the sport to me because of his antics but he is exciting and one of the best riders we have ever seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 Nicki Pedersen will never be a legend of the sport to me because of his antics but he is exciting and one of the best riders we have ever seen. So he's a legend then?! You can't change the definition of legend because you don't like them. A legend is someone or something that is still spoken about in many generations time. Your telling me people won't be telling their grandkids, "if you think he's dirty you should have seen Nicki Pedersen" in 50 years time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) So he's a legend then?! You can't change the definition of legend because you don't like them. A legend is someone or something that is still spoken about in many generations time. Your telling me people won't be telling their grandkids, "if you think he's dirty you should have seen Nicki Pedersen" in 50 years time? Why not i can choose who i decide is a legend to me, he may be to you not me and i won't be alive in 50 years time!! To me a legend is someone who is held in high esteem or admired neither applies to Pedersen in my view. Edited June 30, 2015 by foreverblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 The problems he had were an illness which endless people in this country have but in the speedway circle Kelly was very popular. Couldnt resist calling names trying to get a reaction sad man,read your post you are a bit two CERTAIN for your own good Arson and your opinion is no better than mine.In a all time top time 20 where does FACT come into it ? different era's different opinion's ( if we are aloud one? ) oops i don't agree with Arson (who has a love in with Nicky!! ) so i must be wrong.You could get a hundred people's opinions about an all time top 20,and they would all be different FACT does not come into it now Arson do me a favour go and put your feet up take it easy and have a kip you don't want to over do it. No I can't agree with you on that one Sid. In any list of the greats of the sport nearly all the multi world champs would be in. Moore Craven, Fundin, Briggs Mauger, Olsen, Rickardsson Gundersen Nielsen Pedersen Crump and Hancock. It would be hard to overlook the claims of Young and Penhall but as Bruce wasn't around that long then maybe not. Peter Collins, although only one title qualifies for my list. Then you can perm any from the likes of Michanek, Gollob, Jonsson, Ermolenko etc Below that you are probably talking top class but maybe not true greats of the sport. Kelly and Shawn Moran, Phil Crump etc Now in a list of peoples favourite riders you may be right in that Nicki wouldn't figure in a lot of top 20s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sotonian Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 A three-time winner of any motorcycle World Championship is a legend in my book. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 The problems he had were an illness which endless people in this country have but in the speedway circle Kelly was very popular. Couldnt resist calling names trying to get a reaction sad man,read your post you are a bit two CERTAIN for your own good Arson and your opinion is no better than mine.In a all time top time 20 where does FACT come into it ? different era's different opinion's ( if we are aloud one? ) oops i don't agree with Arson (who has a love in with Nicky!! ) so i must be wrong.You could get a hundred people's opinions about an all time top 20,and they would all be different FACT does not come into it now Arson do me a favour go and put your feet up take it easy and have a kip you don't want to over do it. its not my opinion Sid its fact! Name 20 factually better riders than nicki and i will admit im wrong and you are right. Problem is you cant so you resort to bleating on about Nickis style or whatever.... I met both Kelly and Nicki a good few times and they are both smashing blokes... But that doesn't alter that your ramblings are factually incorrect bonny lad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 its not my opinion Sid its fact! Name 20 factually better riders than nicki and i will admit im wrong and you are right. Problem is you cant so you resort to bleating on about Nickis style or whatever.... I met both Kelly and Nicki a good few times and they are both smashing blokes... But that doesn't alter that your ramblings are factually incorrect bonny lad Nicki certainly is a smashing bloke as any rider brave or stupid enough to go round the outside of him will testify!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 Nicki certainly is a smashing bloke as any rider brave or stupid enough to go round the outside of him will testify!!any?? You eggagerating again?? Or just giving another opinion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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