jacksback Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 I think it is open to interpretation: 110. Article 10.8 CAD states that “In addition to the automatic Disqualification of the results in the Competition which produced the positive Sample under Article 9 (Automatic Disqualification of Individual Results), all other competitive results obtained from the date a positive Sample was collected (…) or any other anti-doping rule violation occurred, though the commencement of any Provisional Suspension or Ineligibility period, shall, unless fairness requires otherwise, be Disqualified, with all of the resulting consequences including forfeiture of any medals, points and prizes.” 111. In this respect, Mr Ward has pointed out that Article 10.8 CAD shall not be applied in cases where fairness requires otherwise. Besides referring to the fact that he was not told he was suspended until several weeks later, Mr Ward has, however, not specified any reasons for fairness that would apply in this case. 112. CDI finds that, in the light of the clear wording of Article 10.8 CAD, it is not allowed to depart from the wording in other than exceptional circumstances. Mr Ward has not produced evidence in support of his allegation. Therefore, the principle set out in Article 10.8 CAD shall apply, and consequently all the results that Mr Ward obtained in all the Competitions in which he participated from 17 August 2014 until 27 August 2014, are to be cancelled, respectively forfeited. nb My bolding of what appear to be the key phrases Have a look at the the extra large text aove...fairness to other team members....the FIM allowed Darcy to compete for some time after the event...He wasn't disqualified immediately,,,FIM F?ck up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Have a look at the the extra large text aove... You're quoting the guidlines, not the decision. The CDI judge obviously decided that fairness didn't require otherwise, and therefore made his decision that ALL points must be deducted from ALL matches. The decision says: "Moreover, the CDI ruled that the results obtained by Mr Ward in all the Competitions in which he participated subsequent to the positive test, from 17 August 2014 until 27 August 2014, are cancelled, with all resulting consequences, including forfeiture of any points and prizes." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Have a look at the the extra large text aove...fairness to other team members....the FIM allowed Darcy to compete for some time after the event...He wasn't disqualified immediately,,,FIM F?ck up Read on. Para 111 explains that Mr. Ward, having claimed fairness should be applied, doesn't give a reason and the cancellation still applies. Mr. Ward F?ck up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksback Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 You can read the CDI decision here http://www.fim-live.com/en/article/cdi-decision-on-darcy-ward/ It's pretty clear. "Moreover, the CDI ruled that the results obtained by Mr Ward in all the Competitions in which he participated subsequent to the positive test, from 17 August 2014 until 27 August 2014, are cancelled, with all resulting consequences, including forfeiture of any points and prizes." Pretty much explained above...the FIM did no suspend Dacry immediately and let him compete for some to time ...would be unfair to fellow teammates to exclude his results...not a brainbuster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Pretty much explained above...the FIM did no suspend Dacry immediately and let him compete for some to time ...would be unfair to fellow teammates to exclude his results...not a brainbuster I'm guessing, from your failure to grasp the meaning of the stuff you're quoting, that you must have been one of Mr. Ward's defence team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksback Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 LOL I understand the ruling....AJ do you really think any team result will be affected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Pretty much explained above...the FIM did no suspend Dacry immediately and let him compete for some to time ...would be unfair to fellow teammates to exclude his results...not a brainbuster You might not think it's fair to exclude his scores from team matches (and probably many would agree with that - even non-Poole fans). However the CDI decided that all his scores should be cancelled and removed with all subsequent consequences. Like it or not, that is their ruling, and your opinion counts for nothing. If I were a Poole fan I would keep quiet and hope that the SCB continue to ignore the ruling. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 LOL I understand the ruling....AJ do you really think any team result will be affected I don't think they will but they should be, as per the ruling, and as all your posts have shown, you don't understand the ruling at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksback Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Guys through up what you like...the results stand... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) Clearly the results are not going to be changed because the SCB have decided against doing so. Graham Reeve made a public statement on that some time ago. Just moving the discussion on. Does anyone know what the procedure is that the FIM take against an FMN (in this the ACU who devolve control of Speedway to the SCB) When the subordinate bureau unilaterally decide to go directly against FIM CDI rulings? Edited June 16, 2015 by Grand Central Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksback Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Clearly the results are not going to be changed because the SCB have decided against doing so. Graham Reeve made a public statement on that some time ago. Just moving the discussion on. Does anyone know what the procedure is that the FIM take against an FMN (in this the ACU who devolve control of Speedway to the SCB) When the subordinate bureau unilaterally decide to go directly against FIM CDI rulings? Nothing...lets move the discussion on I don't think they will but they should be, as per the ruling, and as all your posts have shown, you don't understand the ruling at all. I would be interested to hear your interpretation so that I can understand...Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Just moving the discussion on. Does anyone know what the procedure is that the FIM take against an FMN (in this the ACU who devolve control of Speedway to the SCB) When the subordinate bureau unilaterally decide to go directly against FIM CDI rulings? Can't imagine the FIM would be bothered wasting the time and energy pursuing it. Probably all the ruling does is allows Leicester to claim back a couple of hundred quid off Ward/Poole for the standard points money they paid out relating to the points scored by Ward which the FIM have cancelled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 I would be interested to hear your interpretation so that I can understand...Thanks Very simple. By rule, Ward didn't score those points therefore, as a resulting consequence, neither did Poole which alters the match results accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) Can't imagine the FIM would be bothered wasting the time and energy pursuing it. Probably all the ruling does is allows Leicester to claim back a couple of hundred quid off Ward/Poole for the standard points money they paid out relating to the points scored by Ward which the FIM have cancelled. I imagine you are right. It's just that the principle of federations picking and choosing which parts of a CDI they implement is not one the FIM would want to encourage. Sets a dangerous precedent. Especially when they are getting all high and mighty with the Russians, of all people. . Edited June 16, 2015 by Grand Central 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Except for the fact that Darcy wasn't competinug in a team event when he failed the test. He may have done had he not been Tested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 LOL I understand the ruling....AJ do you really think any team result will be affected It has been in Sweden. I would be interested to hear your interpretation so that I can understand...Thanks There is no interpretation. It's a very clear ruling for anyone who can read and understand the English language. Now you either don't understand the English language very well or are merely trolling. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 To be frank im bored of Darcy Ward now. The kid clearly has issues and is no nearer to becoming a grown up. The interview on sky was the ideal opportunity to apologise to the speedway world , not just his sycophant cronies, but instead he didnt even bother. When asked if he felt it was his last chance he said no!. What else can he do that he thinks he can get away with? His role call: May 2012: Hotel Room Oct 2012: Fight Feb 13: Under the influence Aug 14: Latvia So how many chances does he get as a human being? In his lets be honest small little head he feels he isnt in last chance saloon. As a human being he is scraping the barrel. Natural talent on a bike yet chooses not to bother to achieve. Needs to take a good look at what Tai has done in his career. Woffinden is now light years ahead of Ward 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 To be frank im bored of Darcy Ward now. The kid clearly has issues and is no nearer to becoming a grown up. The interview on sky was the ideal opportunity to apologise to the speedway world , not just his sycophant cronies, but instead he didnt even bother. When asked if he felt it was his last chance he said no!. What else can he do that he thinks he can get away with? His role call: May 2012: Hotel Room Oct 2012: Fight Feb 13: Under the influence Aug 14: Latvia So how many chances does he get as a human being? In his lets be honest small little head he feels he isnt in last chance saloon. As a human being he is scraping the barrel. Natural talent on a bike yet chooses not to bother to achieve. Needs to take a good look at what Tai has done in his career. Woffinden is now light years ahead of Ward A whole new post, yet you're bored of him lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 To be frank im bored of Darcy Ward now. The kid clearly has issues and is no nearer to becoming a grown up. The interview on sky was the ideal opportunity to apologise to the speedway world , not just his sycophant cronies, but instead he didnt even bother. When asked if he felt it was his last chance he said no!. What else can he do that he thinks he can get away with? His role call: May 2012: Hotel Room Oct 2012: Fight Feb 13: Under the influence Aug 14: Latvia So how many chances does he get as a human being? In his lets be honest small little head he feels he isnt in last chance saloon. As a human being he is scraping the barrel. Natural talent on a bike yet chooses not to bother to achieve. Needs to take a good look at what Tai has done in his career. Woffinden is now light years ahead of Ward I missed the interview on Sky What questions were asked and what answers were given? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 A whole new post, yet you're bored of him lolhavent been on here for 3 weeks so just voicing my opinion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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