The White Knight Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 So long as he's served his time then yes, if he gets a wild card then so beit. But Darcy knows, if he should put one foot out of place, the FIM will bounce him from one side of the pits to the other.. But i don't thing he will be so silly again... I sincerely hope that you are right, I really do.... Personally I have my doubts. He is undoubtedly a brilliant Rider - but no Rider is bigger than the Sport. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 I sincerely hope that you are right, I really do.... Personally I have my doubts. He is undoubtedly a brilliant Rider - but no Rider is bigger than the Sport. Couldn't agree more, no rider is bigger than the sport, the same as no footballer is bigger than the English game, without naming names... I really do think he's learn't his lesson in a very hard way this time, and i sincerly hope, on his return we see the REAL Darcy Ward on a speedway bike.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 Couldn't agree more, no rider is bigger than the sport, the same as no footballer is bigger than the English game, without naming names... I really do think he's learn't his lesson in a very hard way this time, and i sincerly hope, on his return we see the REAL Darcy Ward on a speedway bike.. We can agree on that Starman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 No Emil no Laguta, no Ward are you SERIOUS?those three riders are in the top ten riders in the world! Yes or No.? Yes Ward is BUT he should have to earn the right to ride in the GP's again not have it handed it to him on a plate with a wild card. I dont believe that he has learnt a thing from this (only have to see his comments on Twitter to see that) so force him to earn something for a change. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 Couldn't agree more, no rider is bigger than the sport, the same as no footballer is bigger than the English game, without naming names... I really do think he's learn't his lesson in a very hard way this time, and i sincerly hope, on his return we see the REAL Darcy Ward on a speedway bike.. Ahh...the lure of the bottle...time will tell. And as the subject of football was raised (and keeping in-theme with the lure of the bottle), was the World Cup any the worse off for never featuring George Best back in the late 60's and early 70's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 Olympic Games 1980 and 1984; Wimbledon 1973. All proved that the event is bigger than individuals or even whole teams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 Olympic Games 1980 and 1984; Wimbledon 1973. All proved that the event is bigger than individuals or even whole teams. Indeed. In fact, the 1984 games is considered one of the most succesful ever, despite the absence of the USSR and rest of the communist bloc. Whoever wins the Grand Prix is World Champion. History remembers the winners. No one remember the losers who opted out or couldn't take part. Harsh but true. All the best Rob 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 Indeed. In fact, the 1984 games is considered one of the most succesful ever, despite the absence of the USSR and rest of the communist bloc. Whoever wins the Grand Prix is World Champion. History remembers the winners. No one remember the losers who opted out or couldn't take part. Harsh but true. All the best Rob Classic case being Denmarks win in the 1992 European Championships Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 History remembers the winners. No one remember the losers who opted out or couldn't take part. Harsh but true. Absolutely, Rob. The American clean sweep in the 1937 Speedway World Championship is much quoted as well as Jack Milne's individual win that year. Does anyone know, remember or care that arguably the greatest rider of that period, Bluey Wilkinson, missed the final due to injury? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 On the other hand it was a shame that Cassius Clay missed a few years...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 We seem to have some irony on here Sidney and Ian have long been telling us that it is not a proper world championship if every rider hasn't qualified (even though that situation never happened) and that it didn't matter if big stars missed out (Olsen 76/Collins 78 etc) because that was fair to all. Now we have Darcy Ward who hasn't qualified or been given a wild card but this somehow reduces the SGP (in reality it does) because the best riders in the world aren't there. Which one is it guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 The 1936 Olympics would have been much much worse without Jesse Owens! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 (edited) On the other hand it was a shame that Cassius Clay missed a few years...... Actually, it made his story. It would have been much duller had he simply continued winning everything for a decade. His fight back in his 'second career' is what made his worthy of being called The Greatest. All the best Rob Absolutely, Rob. The American clean sweep in the 1937 Speedway World Championship is much quoted as well as Jack Milne's individual win that year. Does anyone know, remember or care that arguably the greatest rider of that period, Bluey Wilkinson, missed the final due to injury? Indeed. And what about 1949? Tommy Price, Jack Parker and Louis Lawson created their own slice of history with an England 1-2-3. That's what's in the record books. Not that Vic Duggan, the best rider in the world in 1947-48-49 was missing though injury. All the best Rob Edited March 13, 2015 by lucifer sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 Actually, it made his story. It would have been much duller had he simply continued winning everything for a decade. His fight back in his 'second career' is what made his worthy of being called The Greatest. A fair point.Does a dominant sportsperson make the sport duller and would his absence be better in the long run?Krasnikovs domination of ice speedway for instance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 (edited) The 1936 Olympics would have been much much worse without Jesse Owens! But if he hadn't been there we wouldn't know and we would remember them for some other reason. They wouldn't be remembered as the Olympics Jesse Owens missed. Edited March 13, 2015 by norbold 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 It was in a sense an Olympics where one or two of those missing have been remembered. There was a film based on this jewish athletes life made http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gretel_Bergmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 We seem to have some irony on here Sidney and Ian have long been telling us that it is not a proper world championship if every rider hasn't qualified (even though that situation never happened) and that it didn't matter if big stars missed out (Olsen 76/Collins 78 etc) because that was fair to all. Now we have Darcy Ward who hasn't qualified or been given a wild card but this somehow reduces the SGP (in reality it does) because the best riders in the world aren't there. Which one is it guys As you ask Oldace - The old World Final I cared about and enjoyed. I'm afraid the GPs do not do it for me at all. Looking back regarding Qualifying, you are probably right in what you say, but at least it was a fair contest. If you did not make the Final - there was always the following year. To my mind - the best Rider in the World does not have some sort of Divine Right to be in the GPs. Selection, as against Qualifying, will always be a fiddle. You could have a World Champion who rode well for one year who could be poor the next. Let them ALL fight to get in to the GPS through the Qualifiers. Then, and only then, will there be any credibility in it. This, of course, is only my opinion. I am aware that a lot of folk feel differently. That is up to them. I can only say it the way I see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 So last week Darcy promised us a statement this week or next (that being last week or this week). Where is this statement? What a joke. You'd think after the moaning about the FIM delay that Darcy and his crew would be keen to show them how its done! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 As you ask Oldace - The old World Final I cared about and enjoyed. I'm afraid the GPs do not do it for me at all. Looking back regarding Qualifying, you are probably right in what you say, but at least it was a fair contest. If you did not make the Final - there was always the following year. To my mind - the best Rider in the World does not have some sort of Divine Right to be in the GPs. Selection, as against Qualifying, will always be a fiddle. You could have a World Champion who rode well for one year who could be poor the next. Let them ALL fight to get in to the GPS through the Qualifiers. Then, and only then, will there be any credibility in it. This, of course, is only my opinion. I am aware that a lot of folk feel differently. That is up to them. I can only say it the way I see it. But the World Champion was directly seeded to the following year's final for a while in the 1950s and 60s. Nowt wrong with that, if you ask me. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 So last week Darcy promised us a statement this week or next (that being last week or this week). Where is this statement? What a joke. You'd think after the moaning about the FIM delay that Darcy and his crew would be keen to show them how its done! Perhaps he has been advised to ditch the idea of making a Statement. In his case - it would be the most sensible thing to do. But the World Champion was directly seeded to the following year's final for a while in the 1950s and 60s. Nowt wrong with that, if you ask me. All the best Rob As I said - folk have different ideas to me and that is fine. I don't think I did ask you did I? :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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