Popular Post TheReturn Posted February 4, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 NOT taking sides here and leaving aside the fact that it is Darcy Ward on centre stage, don't see how anyone could not agree that the FIM could and should have expedited this matter far more quickly than they have and that it should not take 45 days to deliver a judgement having had the hearing ... and that would apply whether it was a World Champion in the dock on a rider at the bottom of the ladder. Taking the Middlo line hey? I blame the idiot who turned up at a World Championship race meeting allegedly over the limit. I got done for speeding at 95mph on the M25 in November (sods law, can't normally move at all on that stretch) and I now face a court hearing, but I am still waiting for the court date leaving me dangling over fines, higher insurance premiums and possible suspension. I can sit here blaming the police and the courts in Kent for making me wait.... or I can sit here and blame myself for being a twit and driving too fast. At the end of the day I was in the wrong, so my fault. The same with Ward, the delays and situation are HIS fault and could have all been avoided. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 (edited) NOT taking sides here and leaving aside the fact that it is Darcy Ward on centre stage, don't see how anyone could not agree that the FIM could and should have expedited this matter far more quickly than they have and that it should not take 45 days to deliver a judgement having had the hearing ... and that would apply whether it was a World Champion in the dock on a rider at the bottom of the ladder. You just did and FIM are free to take the time they feel necessary to get an accurate as possible handling of the matter. Better for it to take long time and get a good result then to rush it and get it wrong. Also we don't know the reason to why it took five months, perhaps there are some very good reason(s) to that. Edited February 4, 2015 by Ghostwalker 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Regarding Middleditche's comments on social media, he is old enough and should be wise enough to keep his thoughts to himself, he has done himself no favours. Mind Woffinden last year who was the current world champion at the time should never have made the comments he did on social media about Pedersen, I am a big Tai fan. Regarding Pedersen arguably is the most professional rider at present time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Also we don't know the reason to why it took five months, perhaps there are some very good reason(s) to that. Sounds like an investigation from a leading speedway magazine. Yes its taking a while to get what from the outside is a simple enough case, but if we have to wait this long for both sides to present the evidence and for the FIM to consider that evidence and bring a punishment then shouldn't we let them got on with it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 NOT taking sides here and leaving aside the fact that it is Darcy Ward on centre stage, don't see how anyone could not agree that the FIM could and should have expedited this matter far more quickly than they have and that it should not take 45 days to deliver a judgement having had the hearing ... and that would apply whether it was a World Champion in the dock on a rider at the bottom of the ladder. You are quite right. Any International Sporting body could operate under regulations that offer more speedier action. But they do not. In any case. Not this year, last year or for years and years. You, and me, have memories that go back to cases like Ivan Mauger in 1982/3 and his International ban by the FIM. Took an age to get sorted. Why does everyone want to make make the point now, as if it were new and pertinent to Darcy specifically. It isn't. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 You are quite right. Any International Sporting body could operate under regulations that offer more speedier action. But they do not. In any case. Not this year, last year or for years and years. You, and me, have memories that go back to cases like Ivan Mauger in 1982/3 and his International ban by the FIM. Took an age to get sorted. Why does everyone want to make make the point now, as if it were new and pertinent to Darcy specifically. It isn't. Because i would say 95% of the people who back Ward have no idea of how these things work. They just see their hero (lol) not being able to ride. That coupled with the fact that he is talented means in their eyes that the proceedures that have been in place for years are wrong all of a sudden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Regarding Middleditche's comments on social media, he is old enough and should be wise enough to keep his thoughts to himself, he has done himself no favours. Mind Woffinden last year who was the current world champion at the time should never have made the comments he did on social media about Pedersen, I am a big Tai fan. Regarding Pedersen arguably is the most professional rider at present time. WHAT about Hancock? Because i would say 95% of the people who back Ward have no idea of how these things work. They just see their hero (lol) not being able to ride. That coupled with the fact that he is talented means in their eyes that the proceedures that have been in place for years are wrong all of a sudden. I HAVE a reasonable idea of how theses things work and given modern day communications (emails, etc) the whole process could have been done and dusted long ago. And I certainly don't see why having had a hearing it could take 45 days to deliver a judgement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 WHAT about Hancock? Hi Philip well I believe Pedersen works so hard with his sponsors and his personal fitness and I applaud him for that. My all time favourite professional I would have to say was Mauger, took speedway to a new level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 WHAT about Hancock? Just not in my thoughts... ever. Truth is I have spent the last three or four months of the closed Season without giving him a second thought. Such a shame isn't it. The Current World Champion and ... nothing, really. Thank God for Darcy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 WHAT about Hancock? I HAVE a reasonable idea of how theses things work and given modern day communications (emails, etc) the whole process could have been done and dusted long ago. And I certainly don't see why having had a hearing it could take 45 days to deliver a judgement. We don't know it is going to take 45 days. FIM regulations say it can be UP TO 45 days. Unless you've heard differently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 WHAT about Hancock? I HAVE a reasonable idea of how theses things work and given modern day communications (emails, etc) the whole process could have been done and dusted long ago. And I certainly don't see why having had a hearing it could take 45 days to deliver a judgement. Thats not what we are all saying. I have no idea why it needs 45 days either but that has always been the case so why should it be any different for Darcy Ward? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 (edited) Because i would say 95% of the people who back Ward have no idea of how these things work. And like i said neither did you untill somebody put it up.. I see you are still being very selective in downing my posts.. No suprise there then.. and once again you are happy to argue with people on here when you quite clearly are clueless. Again you know dam well there's nothing wrong with those tweets or my posts, its about time you were banned indefinately for trolling with intent. Thats not what we are all saying. I have no idea why it needs 45 days either but that has always been the case so why should it be any different for Darcy Ward? But you said you knew...Clearly you don't your just making it up as you go along. Stay off my posts. Edited February 4, 2015 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 You have no idea. Right, so Phillip Rising who has been involved with the sport as a journalist for the best part of 40 years has "no idea". I might not agree with some of Phil's views but I think it is fair to say he has a pretty good idea how things work within the sport. Certainly more than "Mr Disapline and Mr Gaul" - to pick two of your more comical mistakes in the past 24 hours. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 (edited) Right, so Phillip Rising who has been involved with the sport as a journalist for the best part of 40 years has "no idea". I might not agree with some of Phil's views but I think it is fair to say he has a pretty good idea how things work within the sport. Certainly more than "Mr Disapline and Mr Gaul" - to pick two of your more comical mistakes in the past 24 hours. That was aimed at Gavan. He floods this forum with his anti poole stance and you end up pressing the wrong button if you didn't know you wouldn't think he" Alledgedly" supports a PL club. My appologies to Phil. Edited February 4, 2015 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Yeh, i don't do twitter, but im assuming the person in the black bold type wrote those... ah, so you're blindly defending someone, whilst having no idea of the facts. Where have we seen this before recently... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 (edited) ah, so you're blindly defending someone, whilst having no idea of the facts. Where have we seen this before recently... Ive read the tweets and those put up there is nothing wrong with them. your 5 pages behind pal. do keep up. Edited February 4, 2015 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 I'd hardly call any of that unprofessional, he's just stating his case and make his point. Not like the clowns who go on his twitter almost baying for blood, thats, unprofessional. not that they'd know much about that word... Er no, Pedersens past doesn't interest me . And, after reading this Post and some of your other Postings on this subject it seems, neither do you Starman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Ive read the tweets and those put up there is nothing wrong with them. your 5 pages behind pal. do keep up. So you think calling someone retarded is ok?? Says everything about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 So you think calling someone retarded is ok?? Says everything about Who called you retarded ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 What you're making there, Phil, is a general point about the FIM. This case is nothing out of the ordinary. You might want to criticise the FIM for the time they take generally, but, believe me, this case is nothing special. They are not treating Darcy Ward any differently to how they would treat any other rider. It's just a shame people like you and Middlo don't know this. tbf to phil, he did say his point was regardless of whetherit was darcy or another rider.and it is ludicrous that fim take this long to decide things. thats not a darcy related statement, it's a general statement. But equally you'd expect people heavily involved in speedway to have some idea of these processes. a six month ban handed out in august may have seemed light,but would probably have been accepted by most as ok. But if handed out now, it will seem almost like ward has got off. would be interested to know the star's thoughts on a prominent team manager calling people "retarded" on twitter. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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