theknow 2 Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 Boring now this, maybe the FIM have hung it out as I have said before with his lame excuses. Not got my gear on didn't intend to ride mechanics carrying him out of pits with the knee injury as excuse as why not riding would it have been sorted earlier without all this and his lawyers trying to come up with every excuse under the sun ???? Bad stuff seems to follow him around and I think always will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 Why do people keep saying it's the FIM holding things up....It doesn't look like the FIM causing the issues it to me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derwent Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 Everyone is different - and what's good for one competitor isn't necessarily good for another. Whilst excessive alcohol consumption is never likely to improve your performance (unless you're the likes of Ian Botham), plenty of competitors will say a beer or two helps them relax, which in turns means they're better rested the following day. That may well be the case but quite frankly any rider who consumes alcohol after officially signing on to the meeting, which they do prior to practice, is asking for trouble as they can be randomly tested at any point after that. From the point of signing on until the meeting is officially declared closed they can be tested, its just common sense to abstain during that period. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 That may well be the case but quite frankly any rider who consumes alcohol after officially signing on to the meeting, which they do prior to practice, is asking for trouble as they can be randomly tested at any point after that. From the point of signing on until the meeting is officially declared closed they can be tested, its just common sense to abstain during that period. That was one of my thought the other day. A rider is classed as signed into the meeting one he signs on for practice - technically any rider drinking after signing no for practice and before the end of the last race is at risk of being test and banned. Even a single beer straight after practice. Unless I have misunderstood. So Darcy admitting to a drink on the Saturday night has admitted to having a drink while signed into a meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 That was one of my thought the other day. A rider is classed as signed into the meeting one he signs on for practice - technically any rider drinking after signing no for practice and before the end of the last race is at risk of being test and banned. Even a single beer straight after practice. Unless I have misunderstood. So Darcy admitting to a drink on the Saturday night has admitted to having a drink while signed into a meeting.The meeting actually starts from the first scrutineering and ends after protest time finishes some amount of minutes after the last race. But in the FIM book I read last night, it mentioned that alcohol is prohibited in "competition only". Which MIGHT mean that it is OK to get hammered in a two day event on the evening of the first day... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 I have been away from here for a bit, so to save trawling through hundreds of pages when is Ward's hearing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 I have been away from here for a bit, so to save trawling through hundreds of pages when is Ward's hearing? How long is a piece of string? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 Whatever people's opinions of comments etc on this topic, nevertheless the WADA (to which FIM are signatories) do make a difference between alcohol and (performance enhancing) drugs. Furthermore, they also differentiate between 'in-competion' and 'out of competition' usage. (Darcy's consumption was 'out of competition' but tested 'in competition') I agree that there should be a difference between performance enhancing substances and stronger substance like alcohol. The difference is that the former is "just" cheating while the latter is blatantly (and possible lethally) dangerous. So the latter should therefore obviously result in a stronger punishment/penalty. I hope this doesn't get dragged into Darcy being cleared on some sort of ridiculous technicality. What I hope happens is he gets, say, a three year ban, with the time he's served out already being counted towards the ban and the rest being suspended. Then he can get on with his racing. He's had a long time out now and missed out on 2 cracks at the World title, which he probably deserved to happen. Hopefully it will teach him the lessons needed and it is clear to him he musn't transgress again. Since the offence happened before January 1st 2015 the maximum suspension for a first time offence is 2 years. For offences after January 1st 2015 the maximum suspension is 4 years for a first time offence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 I have been away from here for a bit, so to save trawling through hundreds of pages when is Ward's hearing? End of the month and not a minute to soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 How long is a piece of string? It's longer on Eurosport than Sky. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 You've got to hand it to Darcy and the F.I.M though. At least they've given us something to talk about to while away those dark winter days and evenings when there's no speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 You've got to hand it to Darcy and the F.I.M though. At least they've given us something to talk about to while away those dark winter days and evenings when there's no speedway. I knew Ward would have a cunning plan, not for one minute though did I think this forum would be at the fore front of Wards thinking, especially after what some have written about him on here, but cheers Darcy all the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 I agree that there should be a difference between performance enhancing substances and stronger substance like alcohol. The difference is that the former is "just" cheating while the latter is blatantly (and possible lethally) dangerous. So the latter should therefore obviously result in a stronger punishment/penalty. . not sure your logic is correct. A conviction for fraud can carry a heftier penalty than drink driving, despite the fact that the latter is clearly the more likely to cause injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 14, 2015 Report Share Posted January 14, 2015 There is a support group for Darcy Ward at https://www.facebook.com/pages/Let-Darcy-Ward-return-to-speedway/1563694277202274 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theflyingkiwi Posted January 14, 2015 Report Share Posted January 14, 2015 There is a support group for Darcy Ward at https://www.facebook.com/pages/Let-Darcy-Ward-return-to-speedway/1563694277202274 Oh dear... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted January 14, 2015 Report Share Posted January 14, 2015 There is a support group for Darcy Ward at https://www.facebook.com/pages/Let-Darcy-Ward-return-to-speedway/1563694277202274 Thats quite sad really. Im all for the guy riding again as a reformed man, but to go to the lengths of a support group as if there has been some sort of injustice done is beyond me 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted January 14, 2015 Report Share Posted January 14, 2015 There is a support group for Darcy Ward at https://www.facebook.com/pages/Let-Darcy-Ward-return-to-speedway/1563694277202274 There's one here too http://tinyurl.com/84g3k 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 14, 2015 Report Share Posted January 14, 2015 (edited) Oh dear... Thats quite sad really. Im all for the guy riding again as a reformed man, but to go to the lengths of a support group as if there has been some sort of injustice done is beyond me There are several other Pages on Social Media that are strongly supportive of Darcy Ward. Obviously there are people around not of the same mindset of those who Post on the BSF? Edited January 14, 2015 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted January 14, 2015 Report Share Posted January 14, 2015 There are several other Pages on Social Media that are strongly supportive of Darcy Ward. Obviously there are people around not of the same mindset that Post on the BSF? As long as the support pages are along the lines of giving Darcy support to get his career back on track and do what he does best then thats fine. If they are supporting him to get off on a technacality then that is wrong 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted January 14, 2015 Report Share Posted January 14, 2015 (edited) As long as the support pages are along the lines of giving Darcy support to get his career back on track and do what he does best then thats fine. If they are supporting him to get off on a technacality then that is wrong If the 'technicality' is about wrongly calibrated equipment and/or an incorrect test reading, then it is perfectly legitimate to have a support group. Edited January 14, 2015 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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