BWitcher Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) You really do have a problem with me don't you... You may have got shot of Steve and Alan, but you will NOT be doing the same to me, so I suggest, you get of my back. As I said, many on the old Darcy thread stated Darcy was Drunk, again, there is a massive difference to being DRUNK and being slightly over, if he was... This IS the old thread. Once again, just quote one post that said he was 'drunk' when tested.... you're claiming there are many.. so it shouldn't be very hard. Edited January 12, 2015 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Brown Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 You really do have a problem with me don't you... You may have got shot of Steve and Alan, but you will NOT be doing the same to me, so I suggest, you get of my back. As I said, many on the old Darcy thread stated Darcy was Drunk, again, there is a massive difference to being DRUNK and being slightly over, if he was... But as long you are only a little bit over the limit its sort of OK according to Middleditch. A drunk driver killed my sons mate at 18 when they were out in the village, good news is that he was only a little bit over the limit but didn't stop him killing an innocent 18 year old. But according to Middleditch he should be treated more leniantly than if he had killed him when way over the limit. Heaven forbid if Middleditch had a child killed by someone just over the limit, would he really think the same ? Brilliant, with logic like that he could be a high court judge And Starman, I do not have an issue with Middleditch but have a massive issue with the ridiculous statements that I highlighted and if you were honest with yourself so would you As for any comments about drunk, I agree that is clearly not correct but in terms of the crime its also completely irrelevant. Drunk or 0.01 mg over any limit is 100% and completely the same in this case. Arguing and trying to get him of on a technicality is pathetic, take you punishment, learn from it nad come back a better person. Instead he will do anything to get off and continue to be on the edge of the law for time to come 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 But as long you are only a little bit over the limit its sort of OK according to Middleditch. A drunk driver killed my sons mate at 18 when they were out in the village, good news is that he was only a little bit over the limit but didn't stop him killing an innocent 18 year old. But according to Middleditch he should be treated more leniantly than if he had killed him when way over the limit. Heaven forbid if Middleditch had a child killed by someone just over the limit, would he really think the same ? Brilliant, with logic like that he could be a high court judge And Starman, I do not have an issue with Middleditch but have a massive issue with the ridiculous statements that I highlighted and if you were honest with yourself so would you As for any comments about drunk, I agree that is clearly not correct but in terms of the crime its also completely irrelevant. Drunk or 0.01 mg over any limit is 100% and completely the same in this case. Arguing and trying to get him of on a technicality is pathetic, take you punishment, learn from it nad come back a better person. Instead he will do anything to get off and continue to be on the edge of the law for time to come Im sorry to hear that. But if Darcy is cleared to ride I would like to think, and hope he's learn't his lesson this time.. As ive said before, Darcys destiny is in his own hands.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 You really do have a problem with me don't you... You may have got shot of Steve and Alan, but you will NOT be doing the same to me, so I suggest, you get of my back. As I said, many on the old Darcy thread stated Darcy was Drunk, again, there is a massive difference to being DRUNK and being slightly over, if he was...because you just write absolute crap trolling around each thread. You say people are saying he was drunk then show us proof pal or shut up. Rolling around drunk or a little bit over is irrelevant he was over. Be a man for once in your existence admit he was wrong and admit he needs his punishment rather than look for any small thing to get him off. Chris puts how he lost someone who was killed by someone slightly over. Kind of puts your crap into comparison And did I really all on my own get rid of 2 people who basically were trolls? I feel proud we don't have to put up with them anymore no need to thank me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-D Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 If he gets off on a technicality then something is seriously wrong. Riders before and after him passed the same test. The guy is guilty simple. Serve a ban until 8th August then spend three months getting race fit for the Melbourne wild card. Quit wasting money on the matter. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon Hammer Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 If Darcy's lawyers are fighting a technicality, They should tread carefully. In 2007 McLaren F1 received a US$100 million fine plus other penalties, after taking on the FIM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 If Darcy's lawyers are fighting a technicality, They should tread carefully. In 2007 McLaren F1 received a US$100 million fine plus other penalties, after taking on the FIMThe FIM only rule over motorcycle sports. It was the FIA that hammered McLaren. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon Hammer Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 The FIM only rule over motorcycle sports. It was the FIA that hammered McLaren. Thanks Henry, my mistake. Hope FIM are not as hard nosed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 If he gets off on a technicality then something is seriously wrong. Riders before and after him passed the same test. The guy is guilty simple. Serve a ban until 8th August then spend three months getting race fit for the Melbourne wild card. Quit wasting money on the matter.To be fair, if he marginally failed the test then technicalities such as the calibration of the testing equipment are pretty damned important. Some people have mentioned that the other 2 riders tested passed OK, but they were probably providing zero readings. If there is a question around the calibration of the testing equipment it casts doubt on the accuracy when dealing with low positive numbers. Darcy has admitted that he had some drinks the night before, which I am not condoning, but if the results were marginal then it's entirely reasonable that he and his lawyers question the quality of the testing equipment. A difference of 0.01 in his reading could have been the difference between him becoming World Champion in 2014 and him sitting out the end of the 2014 and the whole of the 2015 SGP seasons. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wackie Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Did we ever find out what the 'mitigating circumstances' for Ward having a few too many that night before the Latvian GP was? Or was that just another excuse to try to deflect the attention from another chapter of his biography "ooops, I did it again" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) THE CCP Director (which, incidentally, isn't a full-time paid role) doesn't attend all SGP rounds ... Ilka Teromaa was Jury President in Latvia. And as is the procedure at the FIM the Ward case was immediately handed over to their legal guys. Sounds like you have some sort of vendetta against Armando but this one was never in his jurisdiction. We know nothings ever Armando's fault ! Silencers included ! Edited January 12, 2015 by New Science Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribbler Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 Did we ever find out what the 'mitigating circumstances' for Ward having a few too many that night before the Latvian GP was? Or was that just another excuse to try to deflect the attention from another chapter of his biography "ooops, I did it again" IIRC It was (supposedly) because he was upset that his parents had 'split up'... Then somebody said that they had separated a while before Darcy's drinking incident... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 If he gets off on a technicality then something is seriously wrong. Riders before and after him passed the same test. The guy is guilty simple. It's irrelevant whether other riders passed. A correct procedure might have been used for them, or an erroneous calibration of the testing equipment didn't matter in their cases. No-one can say for sure he was guilty if the testing is unreliable. Admittedly to having a few beers the night before is not an offence if you're under the limit the following day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XTC38L Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 (edited) Sadly I think the longer this goes on the more chance ward will have the book thrown at him. This continued attempt to get off on a technicality may well leaving him wishing he took it on the chin and kept his mouth shut. Edited January 13, 2015 by sm00th 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 Why would a true professional want to do ANYTHING that would risk the chance of being a world champion? Top of the pile. That applies to anyone in any sport. He knew speedway was providing him, and his crew around him, with a living. On that Saturday evening in Latvia, Darcy knew he was in a season long competition to become the 2014 world champion. More then that, he knew he was really in the competition as a leader rider and true contender for the ultimate prize - being world champion. That real opportunity of being world champion may only come once in your career - why risk throwing away that opportunity by drinking alcohol, any amount of alcohol, the night (or day) before a world championship meeting. Its been said that Nicki Pederson abstains for the whole of the speedway season, no matter what you think of Nicki's riding tactics, THAT is a sign of a dedicated professional. And if he does that to be SUCCESSFUL world class rider, what else does he do to achieve his goals? And it pays results - he has been twice world champion. In that respect Nicki is a really good role model. Other riders may do the same to achieve their goals. Other riders will learn from their peers, and not only learn from peers in their own chosen sport, but from top pros in any sport. Tai did. He chose to pummel his body and mind when he got a second chance to go for the world championship. Fitness training, eating habits etc - did it pay off? It sure did. Did Darcy take any notice of all these examples? Apparently not. He chose to "punish" his body by drinking alcohol the night before a meeting, a world championship meeting, a meeting he had a chance of winning, a world championship he had a chance of winning and he threw it away. Sure people will say "he was only doing what young people do". Foolish counsel that Darcy maybe had heard. But the number of competitors that have been foolish and world champion in the same year will probably be quiet rare. You are either a pro or your not a pro. Darcy chose not to be a pro, and displayed that to us all, by drinking alcohol on the lead up to a championship meeting. I hope he learns from his mistake(s), and when he resumes his speedway career (whenever that be) he will be a reformed character, knuckles down and takes his chosen profession seriously. He needs to surround himself with sensible managers, pit crew, advisers, and true friends who all will be sensible and honest enough to give him sound advice before he makes poor decisions, Surround yourself with foolish people and you are very likely to be foolish. Surround yourself with wise people and you are likely to become wise. I wonder what Darcy will do? Will he have learned from this hugh hiccup in his career that he has brought upon himself, and turn himself around? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealdstone Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 Sadly ( and this to me is his problem) Darcy never sees that he has done anything wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 That real opportunity of being world champion may only come once in your career - why risk throwing away that opportunity by drinking alcohol, any amount of alcohol, the night (or day) before a world championship meeting. Everyone is different - and what's good for one competitor isn't necessarily good for another. Whilst excessive alcohol consumption is never likely to improve your performance (unless you're the likes of Ian Botham), plenty of competitors will say a beer or two helps them relax, which in turns means they're better rested the following day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wackie Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 To be over the limit the following day though would suggest he was either on the way or rat arsed the Saturday night. Might have helped him to relax, but not the trait of a professional or serious sportsman. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 To be over the limit the following day though would suggest he was either on the way or rat arsed the Saturday night. Undoubtedly, but I was replying to the point that he shouldn't have been drinking at all. Having a couple of beers the night before a GP wouldn't necessarily have made him a unprofessional sportsman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 To me Humphrey, being a professional wanting to be number one, means you have to be dedicated at what you are doing to achieve the ultimate prize. Sure there are professionals who earn a good living from what they do, but to be no 1 it takes something special. The hours and hours an athlete, swimmer, cyclist, boxer etc etc puts in to achieve the pinnacle of fitness to do what is required to be no 1 takes dedication, serious dedication Obviously Darcy was not dedicated enough. If he had been dedicated, totally dedicated he would not have "risked" being over the limit the following day, and it doesn't matter how much he was over the limit, he was over. He was "on the edge" and it tipped the wrong way for him and now he is paying the price. 2014 was a year he could possibly have been world champion, and he screwed it up.... for what.... a few pints of beer. Just a few pints of beer he could have enjoyed another time, even just 24 hours later. So he demonstrated to me, that he is not dedicated enough - my opinion which I am entitled to. It may well be that 2014 was his one and only chance, serious chance to be the champion of the world, who knows. Certainly none of us know and neither does Darcy, history will tell us. You grab your chances whilst they are there, not fritter them away by having a few pints. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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