Guest Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 (edited) But would another defaulter be villified on the BSF in the same way as Darcy Ward has been on this thread? He's been victimised even more than Chris Harris has been. I suggest you cut out the grizzling and try and be a lot more positive.. Nothing negative at all in my comment. It's just the alternative view which is never popular on the BSF. Have you seen the various comments made about Chris Harris over the months - all critical of whatever he does - is that positive? You obviously have seen the comments about Darcy Ward on here - many "over the top" criticism of him. Some of the suggested punishments that should be implemented if the hearing goes against him are quite astounding. I see Doug did a like for your comment - all I would expect from there. Another poster sent me a PM in regard to it saying "your old mate's still on the warpath against you." But then, as said many times, this is the BSF so we just see tolerate these happenings - and have a good laugh at them. Edited December 12, 2014 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemuppet Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 The Australian GP is irrelevant in this case and no consideration should be taken to it. All that matters is the rules that he broke and that he should get a punishment that does not take any consideration to who he is. He might be one of the most talented riders ever but in the end that does matter either because you cannot have different rules for different riders. This is also why this in not about Darcy Ward but about a speedway rider who got caught being over the allowed alcohol limit during a competition. It does not matter if that rider is a hight profile GP-star or a PL-rider most people never heard of. The rules has to be the same for both, the punishment also has to be the same for both, You cannot start make up your own rules that this or that rider should get a "special treatment" just because he is GP-star or because he is "needed" to bring some extra spectators to a GP. If you start having (although BSI have already started) different rules for different riders then you are on a very thin ice. Yes he broke the rules but this is 14 months after the event happened. He would only get 1 year maximum in a civil court in this country . So how many years do you think he should get. At the rate Speedway is going it could all be finished before people like you let him ride again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 (edited) I know I'm a Poole/Darcy fan but where in any of the recent statements does it infer that BSI are attempting to influence any decision by FIM?. All they've said is that a decision on the wildcard for Melbourne will be made nearer the time!! Edited December 12, 2014 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Yes he broke the rules but this is 14 months after the event happened. He would only get 1 year maximum in a civil court in this country . So how many years do you think he should get. At the rate Speedway is going it could all be finished before people like you let him ride again Basically I agree with what you say but was the alleged offence as far back as you indicate in your Post? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Basically I agree with what you say but was the alleged offence as far back as you indicate in your Post? It will be by the time Melbourne 2015 comes around!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Yes he broke the rules but this is 14 months after the event happened. He would only get 1 year maximum in a civil court in this country . So how many years do you think he should get. At the rate Speedway is going it could all be finished before people like you let him ride again Basically I agree with what you say but was the alleged offence as far back as you indicate in your Post? It will be by the time Melbourne 2015 comes around!! Many thanks for the clarification. I now understand your reference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Well said. Some commonsense amidst the dross and vindictiveness against Darcy Ward that has appeared on so many pages. The same vindictiveness has appeared on here directed towards all the other riders who have attempted to ride whilst over the alcohol limit. Oh, wait a minute... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 (edited) The same vindictiveness has appeared on here directed towards all the other riders who have attempted to ride whilst over the alcohol limit. Oh, wait a minute... Just a thought: do you think it possible there MAY have been riders in the situation you highlight but who may not have been caught? It's hard to think this incident involving Darcy Ward is a "speedway first" in regard to a rider doing this. Edited December 12, 2014 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 I know I'm a Poole/Darcy fan but where in any of the recent statements does it infer that BSI are attempting to influence any decision by FIM?. All they've said is that a decision on the wildcard for Melbourne will be made nearer the time!! I read that statement as, "If Darcy Ward is not banned he'll get the wild card. Otherwise we probably will give it to the top non-GP Aussie final rider." Which TBH, is how I'd be playing things if I was BSI. But thats weird as I'm a "Poole hater" and want Ward "banned forever" apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 I read that statement as, "If Darcy Ward is not banned he'll get the wild card. Otherwise we probably will give it to the top non-GP Aussie final rider." Which TBH, is how I'd be playing things if I was BSI. But thats weird as I'm a "Poole hater" and want Ward "banned forever" apparently. I think you're just a bit paranoid, SCB!!! Its nothing to do with Poole, its a GP thing!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YerRopes Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Nothing negative at all in my comment. It's just the alternative view which is never popular on the BSF. Have you seen the various comments made about Chris Harris over the months - all critical of whatever he does - is that positive? You obviously have seen the comments about Darcy Ward on here - many "over the top" criticism of him. Some of the suggested punishments that should be implemented if the hearing goes against him are quite astounding. I see Doug did a like for your comment - all I would expect from there. Another poster sent me a PM in regard to it saying "your old mate's still on the warpath against you." But then, as said many times, this is the BSF so we just see tolerate these happenings - and have a good laugh at them. Just cheer up a bit Gustix... Chris Harris has been below par for the best part of two seasons until the end of last year when he got going again...many have had a pop and many have supported him.. As for Darcy, I will admit to not liking him, however he should be treated like any other rider and if the ban he gets is for 6 months back-dated and he can ride the whole season, I don't have a problem with that... Others might however and we are all entitles to our views,,, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Others might however and we are all entitles to our views,,, Everyone bar me, apparantly... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YerRopes Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Everyone bar me, apparantly... Sorry Starman,I don't really understand that post... I know you are a huge Poole fan and as I've said before I enjoy reading most of your posts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Just a thought: do you think it possible there MAY have been riders in the situation you highlight but who may not have been caught? It's hard to think this incident involving Darcy Ward is a "speedway first" in regard to a rider doing this. That's got nothing to do with it. IF others got away with it there is nothing that can be done about it. If Ward is guilty he should get whatever the appropriate sentence is deemed to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Everyone bar me, apparantly... Sorry Starman,I don't really understand that post... I know you are a huge Poole fan and as I've said before I enjoy reading most of your posts... He gets a lot of stick does Starry, some deserved but I hope and think, it's water off a ducks back. I love his posts these days, but even better, is the reactions that he gets. Hilarious Long live Starry 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 . So how many years do you think he should get. At the rate Speedway is going it could all be finished before people like you let him ride again I think the same as Patryk Dudek got would be a minimum and maximum would 24 months. That is 12 month suspension from all speedway plus another 12 months from international events. However there are a few differences between this cases: 1. Dudek claims that he got the forbidden substance into his system by mistake (which at least theoretically could be true). Darcy on the other hand consumed the forbidden substance on purpose and he also went to the pub/bar/nightclub with the intention of consuming alcoholic beverages. Especially since he should have realized that drinking so much alcohol the evening/night before a meeting would set him over the limit. 2. Dudek's substance can at least in theory make him a slightly better rider. Alcohol does not make Darcy a better rider (quite the opposite) but it could make him a very dangerous rider the negative effects of being under the influence of alcohol when driving a motor vehicle is well know. So the latter should by any logic by punished harder then the former since causing danger to others is worse then "just" cheating. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 (edited) I think the same as Patryk Dudek got would be a minimum and maximum would 24 months. That is 12 month suspension from all speedway plus another 12 months from international events. However there are a few differences between this cases: 1. Dudek claims that he got the forbidden substance into his system by mistake (which at least theoretically could be true). Darcy on the other hand consumed the forbidden substance on purpose and he also went to the pub/bar/nightclub with the intention of consuming alcoholic beverages. Especially since he should have realized that drinking so much alcohol the evening/night before a meeting would set him over the limit. 2. Dudek's substance can at least in theory make him a slightly better rider. Alcohol does not make Darcy a better rider (quite the opposite) but it could make him a very dangerous rider the negative effects of being under the influence of alcohol when driving a motor vehicle is well know. So the latter should by any logic by punished harder then the former since causing danger to others is worse then "just" cheating. So a performance-enhancing drug is less dangerous than alcohol?! Open to opinion admittedly - as your comments above demonstrate. Just as well the regulations make a difference then!! Edited December 15, 2014 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 (edited) WAS getting a bit worried ... no one had posted here for almost three days! Edited December 15, 2014 by PHILIPRISING 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 Ronnie Correy had a very light punishment when he failed an alcohol test at the 4's. About 10 days I think it was. Certainly no more than 2 weeks. No bearing on this though as rules have changed since then no doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badge Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 I know this is NOT Darcy however another anti-doping decision has been made today for a motocross rider: http://www.cyclenews.com/690/27349/Racing-Article/Supercross--FIM-Punishes-James-Stewart.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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