horneymikh Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 Hopefully Ward will get the long ban that he deserves 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 Hopefully Ward will get the long ban that he deserves horneymikh --- If you were 'prosecuting' against Darcy Ward at the forthcoming FIM hearing, how would you lay out the case? It would be interesting to see the specifics you would put forward for "the long ban he deserves." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 Hopefully Ward will get the long ban that he deservesHopefully with the balls up that has gone on in this case, is the hearing a week later now 15 th January? will go in Ward's favour.What incompetence showing disdain more than anything to Ward's employers nothing ever mentioned about that hopefully they will have to back date the punishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 Hopefully with the balls up that has gone on in this case, is the hearing a week later now 15 th January? will go in Ward's favour.What incompetence showing disdain more than anything to Ward's employers nothing ever mentioned about that hopefully they will have to back date the punishment. I think they have no alternative other than to backdate Sidney. He is already under "some sort of suspension anyway" isn't he and that time period is likely to be considered. I wonder what MIGHT happen if the suspension is less than the period he has already been kept out of speedway - might Darcy Ward be able to seek compensation? But I am sure FIM 'legal eagles' will bear that in mind - unless there is some technicality that invalidates the charge against him. Now that would be interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 Hopefully Ward will get the long ban that he deserves Add this 'guy' to the lynching mob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 I think they have no alternative other than to backdate Sidney. He is already under "some sort of suspension anyway" isn't he and that time period is likely to be considered. I wonder what MIGHT happen if the suspension is less than the period he has already been kept out of speedway - might Darcy Ward be able to seek compensation? But I am sure FIM 'legal eagles' will bear that in mind - unless there is some technicality that invalidates the charge against him. Now that would be interesting. Given the length of time it's taking to hold the hearing and the possible ramifications if he is cleared, I would have thought the FIM must be quite confident they will win the case 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 looks like he is serving the ban during the close season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 (edited) looks like he is serving the ban during the close season Is that Darcy Ward's fault - when so far no official hearing of the alleged incident has taken place? And close season? There is speedway taking place elsewhere in the world and Ward is excluded from these. Edited December 9, 2014 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 Given the length of time it's taking to hold the hearing and the possible ramifications if he is cleared, I would have thought the FIM must be quite confident they will win the case Logical thinking but this isn't a case conducted in a court of law as such, more a kangaroo court. We would expect that The FIM would just come to a decision based on the fact that Ward failed a breath test and ban him for 6 months, 12 months or whatever they wished. Furthermore If the equipment was inorder and the procedure was carried out correctly then Ward would have no defence and must accept the ban resulting from his foolish behaviour. But this was not the case, why is it taking the FIM so long to announce a decision? Maybe if Ward has shown that the equipment was faulty (unlikely) or the test not carried out correctly (more likely) then that would lead to the protracted proceedings which we are now witnessing. Just my thoughts, but it all seems like it could finish messy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 ...it all seems like it could finish messy. Most likely the Darcy Ward Saga will finish as you suggest pugwash. But then, as often said on the BSF, "...this is speedway...!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 Most likely the Darcy Ward Saga will finish as you suggest pugwash. But then, as often said on the BSF, "...this is speedway...!" Gusters. What may eventually manifest to be a 'fubar' has got nothing to do with the shortcomings of Speedway. It is down to the bureaucracy of The FIM, who we all know do not control the day to day nuts and bolts of the sport , they just....err well, what do they actually do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 Gusters. What may eventually manifest to be a 'fubar' has got nothing to do with the shortcomings of Speedway. It is down to the bureaucracy of The FIM, who we all know do not control the day to day nuts and bolts of the sport , they just....err well, what do they actually do? Imo, if they were going to Ban Darcy for a length of time they wouldn't have put the last hearing back till January. But the FIM seem to work in misterious ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 Imo, if they were going to Ban Darcy for a length of time they wouldn't have put the last hearing back till January. But the FIM seem to work in misterious ways. It just as well be the opposite, if they intended to let him off with a few months they would have just handed him a short ban already instead of dragging this out for about 5 moths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 It just as well be the opposite, if they intended to let him off with a few months they would have just handed him a short ban already instead of dragging this out for about 5 moths. Would you ? I would have thought it was more effective to do it this way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
500cc Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 Hopefully with the balls up that has gone on in this case, is the hearing a week later now 15 th January? will go in Ward's favour.What incompetence showing disdain more than anything to Ward's employers nothing ever mentioned about that hopefully they will have to back date the punishment. Is he actually employed by anybody though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 Is he actually employed by anybody though?He is an asset though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horneymikh Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 He is an asset though! More like a liability... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 How many speedway offences has Darcy Ward ever been punished for. I am not interested in data on any possible off-track misdemeanours that may have been committed. Not that any past speedway offences if any should influence the current charge against him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
500cc Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 He is an asset though! But that's the point. Poole aren't going to get very far complaining to the FIM or any legal system on the basis that they may (probably) want to employ him in March for eight months. That's not a Poole bash, it's an asset system bash. To be honest the situation is not clear to me. Is Ward simply suspended awaiting a hearing? Or has Ward challenged the findings and the hearing is effectively an appeal? Or has Ward challenged the current suspension? Or something else? I get the impression that Poole and the British Speedway authorities and media have clouded the waters. The impression (that I've picked up) is that he is challenging the findings. As I've said before, if the readings are deemed invalid, then he should be unconditionally cleared (although he should personally consider his relationship with alcohol as it is appears related to a number of issues he has had). The FIM are then in sticky water as they choose to suspend him whilst he was appealing. If the an appeal is simply an attempt to find a loophole with substance and it fails, then I suspect the punishment will be very harsh. And that's why I'm confused. My impression is he will be challenging the findings. If that's the case, you'd hope is advisors were basing it on a true concern with the procedures/findings rather than a shot in the dark to get off the offence. How many speedway offences has Darcy Ward ever been punished for. I am not interested in data on any possible off-track misdemeanours that may have been committed. Not that any past speedway offences if any should influence the current charge against him. Quite a few in his career. On occasion though his team mate has mitigated the issue by winning the heat and gaining a 3-3 shared heat !!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 (edited) The last official word made was the press release from the FIM dated August 28, 2014. It reads FIM Anti-doping ControlsFIM Speedway Grand Prix World ChampionshipAnti-Doping Rule Violation - RiderDarcy Ward provisionally suspended The Fédération Internationale de Motocyclisme (FIM) has advised SGP rider Darcy Ward that he is provisionally suspended (with effect from 28 August) pursuant to Article 7.5 of the FIM Anti-doping Code.The decision to provisionally suspend Darcy Ward was taken following the receipt of a report from the FIM Track Racing Commission indicating that the result of an anti-doping control (alcohol test conducted by analysis of breath) carried out by the FIM on the rider at the Grand Prix of Latvia, round of the FIM Speedway Grand Prix World Championship held at Daugavpils on 17 August 2014, revealed the presence of alcohol above the threshold of 0.10g/L as fixed under the FIM Anti-doping Code.In accordance with Article 8.1.1 of the FIM Anti-doping Code and Article 3.3.2 of the FIM Disciplinary and Arbitration Code, the case will be referred to the FIM International Disciplinary Court (CDI) which will adjudicate on the merits of the case.For the duration of his Provisional Suspension, Mr Darcy Ward is barred from participating in any competition.Under the World Anti-Doping Code and the FIM Anti-Doping Code, the FIM is unable to provide any additional information at this time. ------- We have now been led to believe that the CDI takes place on January 8, 2015.Although I have not seen this is an official communication from the FIM. I hope this adds a little clarity for those that need it. Edited December 11, 2014 by Grand Central Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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