The White Knight Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 OK, who has hacked Blazeaways account?! :rofl: Nice one SCB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 Lot of time for Mark, but clearly you never watched Darcy on a regular basis. To my mind your just shouting for the sake of it.. Nothing changes. not interested in your comments fool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 not interested in your comments fool :rofl: That answers my question..None except on TV.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 How often, say from 2011 have you watched Ward live, truth! live as in at the track about 4. on tv probably about another 40 plus times. im slightly biased my family used to sponser a young Mark from the age of 14 so travelled all over the place watching him. Used to overtake for fun at all levels and only once did I see him get it wrong when he knocked Rickardsson off in a gp once. For sheer talent I would have Mark above Darcy but I would possibly have Lee above them both. You expect Gavan to tell you that... just did so keep quiet im talking to adults 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 just did so keep quiet im talking to adults Your not included then... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 :rofl: That answers my question..None except on TV.. have seen him live but whats the difference between being at the track or on the tv? Ward is sublime talent but I would place Mark above him for now. its called an opinion and im discussing it with sommelier who is an adult and can debate instead of you trolling. now go to bed Your not included then... dear oh dear go away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 Emil finished 3rd in the 2009 GP-series and would have been at least 2nd in 2013, hadn't Miedzinski fenced him. Then Emil also is the reigning Europeans champion so it is obvious that Emil have the better merits then a "talent" who have only one junior titles. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 have seen him live but whats the difference between being at the track or on the tv? Ward is sublime talent but I would place Mark above him for now. its called an opinion and im discussing it with sommelier who is an adult and can debate instead of you trolling. now go to bed dear oh dear go away Love it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 You keep saying this.. the 'mega tough' old NL. What was mega tough about it? It was a league full of journeyman. The current PL is stronger. The Hackney side of 88 would smash anything todays PL has to offer, and most EL sides I shouldn't wonder. Swindon visited that year, Nilsen, Karger and Silver included, and we beat them easily. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 Emil finished 3rd in the 2009 GP-series and would have been at least 2nd in 2013, hadn't Miedzinski fenced him. Then Emil also is the reigning Europeans champion so it is obvious that Emil have the better merits then a "talent" who have only one junior titles. you cant say that mate, there are some very precious Darcy fans on here who believe he is the greatest rider around. Darcy Ward is a sublime talent but at the moment he is not in Emils league 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 have seen him live but whats the difference between being at the track or on the tv? Ward is sublime talent but I would place Mark above him for now. its called an opinion and im discussing it with sommelier who is an adult and can debate instead of you trolling. now go to bed dear oh dear go away I first watched Mark ride in 87 at Hackney, yep even from back then i followed him with great interest. Was at Pfaffenhofen in 92 when he had the run off with Leigh Adams, was at Exeter the night he got the track record (think that still stands ?) was at Bydgoszcz in 2000 when he was World champion. Best ever fom the back, one could argue all day long, but he is right up ther. Joe Screen, Collins, Morton, even Olsen in the early 70s was memorable from the back. Most talented, for me personally, i've been lucky, fortunate enough, call it what you may, but watched Gollob ALL over Poland, i used to make every home match to Ipswich to watch him ride! For me no one better from the back than Gollob. Yes i rate Ward very very highly. I was screaming to people in 2010 about Nick Moriss saying he must be a potential world champion, good but not as good as i thought he would be. I started the topic this year on Lambert, & not everyone agreed with me, but now EVERY one is talking about him! But for me ther is one rider, if he continues improving the way he is, IMO will go on to be better than ALL i've mentioned is Brady Kurtz! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 (edited) I first watched Mark ride in 87 at Hackney, yep even from back then i followed him with great interest. Was at Pfaffenhofen in 92 when he had the run off with Leigh Adams, was at Exeter the night he got the track record (think that still stands ?) was at Bydgoszcz in 2000 when he was World champion. Best ever fom the back, one could argue all day long, but he is right up ther. Joe Screen, Collins, Morton, even Olsen in the early 70s was memorable from the back. Most talented, for me personally, i've been lucky, fortunate enough, call it what you may, but watched Gollob ALL over Poland, i used to make every home match to Ipswich to watch him ride! For me no one better from the back than Gollob. Yes i rate Ward very very highly. I was screaming to people in 2010 about Nick Moriss saying he must be a potential world champion, good but not as good as i thought he would be. I started the topic this year on Lambert, & not everyone agreed with me, but now EVERY one is talking about him! But for me ther is one rider, if he continues improving the way he is, IMO will go on to be better than ALL i've mentioned is Brady Kurtz!You like myself are a huge Gollob fan, some people laughed at how i could rate him higher than Pedersen but i certainly do.Some of his moves over the years at Bydgoszcz have been breathtaking just a shame he only won one title but i suppose some other greats never won the top prize so he didn't do to badly.COLLINS has to be the best rider i ever see come from the back,at Hyde Rd he was sublime he was one of a few with Crump,Jansson,(ect) that could put it up to Mauger/Olsen.At Hyde Rd he missed the gate regularly but rode lines that no other rider could ride a real racer class a LEGEND. Edited July 10, 2015 by sidney 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 BRIGGO was pretty special at Hyde Road ... six successive BLRC titles at a time when the line-up was significantly stronger than the World Final that traditionally preceded it by a week or two. One of BB's greatest achievements in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 BRIGGO was pretty special at Hyde Road ... six successive BLRC titles at a time when the line-up was significantly stronger than the World Final that traditionally preceded it by a week or two. One of BB's greatest achievements in my opinion. Mauger was a bit special around Hyde Road! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 (edited) The Hackney side of 88 would smash anything todays PL has to offer, and most EL sides I shouldn't wonder. Swindon visited that year, Nilsen, Karger and Silver included, and we beat them easily. Yeah, but they also smashed anything the NL ad to offer that year, so not really a fair comparison. I could quote Cradley of 1983 as a yardstick for how strong the top flight is, but it's not a fair comparison. For every Cradley 83 there has to be a Swindon 83. I think the PL nowadays is stronger than the NL was - certainly in the 1970s when Michael Lee was in it. Back then, as soon as riders became half decent they would move up into the British League, but now they seem to stay down. Riders like Nick Morris and Craig Cook would never be riding in the lower flight then. It's even debateable if Robert Lambert would still be there. Edited July 10, 2015 by grachan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 Riders like Nick Morris and Craig Cook would never be riding in the lower flight then. It's even debateable if Robert Lambert would still be there. BUT, of course, back then there were so many more top flight fixtures and no financial need for riders to double up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 Yeah, but they also smashed anything the NL ad to offer that year, so not really a fair comparison.I could quote Cradley of 1983 as a yardstick for how strong the top flight is, but it's not a fair comparison. For every Cradley 83 there has to be a Swindon 83.I think the PL nowadays is stronger than the NL was - certainly in the 1970s when Michael Lee was in it.Back then, as soon as riders became half decent they would move up into the British League, but now they seem to stay down.Riders like Nick Morris and Craig Cook would never be riding in the lower flight then. It's even debateable if Robert Lambert would still be there.T.Owen,Lawson,Jackson (ex) did a spell at Wolves a great NL rider didn't go full time and there are a few others who preferred to be a big fish in that sphere. BRIGGO was pretty special at Hyde Road ... six successive BLRC titles at a time when the line-up was significantly stronger than the World Final that traditionally preceded it by a week or two. One of BB's greatest achievements in my opinion.Spot on and he helped Ashby get second one year also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 T.Owen,Lawson,Jackson (ex) did a spell at Wolves a great NL rider didn't go full time and there are a few others who preferred to be a big fish in that sphere. Spot on and he helped Ashby get second one year also. INDEED, 1972 after his Wembley crash forced him out of the event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabbsjoe Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 Riders like Nick Morris and Craig Cook would never be riding in the lower flight then. It's even debateable if Robert Lambert would still be there. BUT, of course, back then there were so many more top flight fixtures and no financial need for riders to double up. you could argue that the regular racing has helped Lambert progress this year, he won't need to double up for much longer after this season. however riders like Cook will as they've found there level Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 live as in at the track about 4. on tv probably about another 40 plus times. im slightly biased my family used to sponser a young Mark from the age of 14 so travelled all over the place watching him. Used to overtake for fun at all levels and only once did I see him get it wrong when he knocked Rickardsson off in a gp once. For sheer talent I would have Mark above Darcy but I would possibly have Lee above them both. You must have been gutted when he became World Champion whilst riding for Poole!!? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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