oldace Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 Two time world champ would seem to qualify. Though almost certainly the worst double world champ of all time (hardly a bad title to hold) and ranked by most (?) behind the likes of single world champs like price Collins Lee gollob. Indeed. You are no mug if you win two world titles but when the finals are on your own track it does give a head start. That is not to tarnish Fred,s wins in any way shape or form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 How many times have you seen Duggan, Wilkinson, Young and Huxley ride Sidney? Does that mean if you haven't seen someone ride they can't be an all time great? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 Does that mean if you haven't seen someone ride they can't be an all time great? I suspect he is merely throwing Sidneys well used argument back at him. Did you ever see Ashby ride Norman 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 Sid was saying jessup ahead of scazkiel not pedersen I think? Tbh I can see arguments for each of Collins, Lee,penhall and Hancock being ahead of pedersen (not saying I would agree, but there are arguments u could make). Gollob rode the same era, for longer, but achieved far less so hard to argue for him though, similarly I can't see how you would rate michanek above pedersen. ok... I just think undermining or dismissing someones capabilities because of there persona is wrong... Love him or hate him, he is a 3x champion of the world, the pinnacle of the sport, the top of the tree... Now once could maybe be a fluke, but not 3 times ( and beating a few on the list).... He also hasnt won these championships by cheating, being dirty or taking people off, although it could be argued he lost one when imo Holder won by default when he should have been excluded... In my opinion. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 Agree with all those points arson and without a doubt would be included in my top 20 of all time, though probably not my top 10. Had he won that title ahead of holder I think he would have to be ranked at least 6th, though probably still behind mauger Briggs funding t Rick and nielsen. If tai wins a second title this year would he be an almost unanimous inclusion in the top 20? He'd have to then at least be considered as the greatest ever Brit along with the two PCs (and possibly farndon by those with more knowledge of that era) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 Agree with all those points arson and without a doubt would be included in my top 20 of all time, though probably not my top 10. Had he won that title ahead of holder I think he would have to be ranked at least 6th, though probably still behind mauger Briggs funding t Rick and nielsen. If tai wins a second title this year would he be an almost unanimous inclusion in the top 20? He'd have to then at least be considered as the greatest ever Brit along with the two PCs (and possibly farndon by those with more knowledge of that era) I didn't know that Briggo Sponsored TRick. :shock: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 I suspect he is merely throwing Sidneys well used argument back at him. Did you ever see Ashby ride Norman I was shocked Ashby was not in Sids list to be honest . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) ok sid... How you the hell you have jessup, lee, collins, penhall, hancock and even Gollob above him i will never fathom out... Some of them are before my time but i will take your word for it.... Btw Gollob and T rick could be a bit naughty as well btw. But going on track individual championships and medals Nicki is firmly entrenched in the top 20 of great speedway riders.... Regardless of anything else ...thats fact not my opinion. Take a deep breath Arson don't wet your pants, have a read back if you are capable ? i did not say Jessup those others you mentioned believe me were at least on a par with Pedersen and that is MINIMUM giving you the benefit of the doubt.If you have seen these riders live you again like me are entitled to your opinion Gollob one title Pedersen three titles Gollob for me still the better rider awesome at times.Titles do not mean everything, Foreverblue was spot on i like him respect Pedersen for his titles but when you stack it up against others he is way down the list.Pedersen better than a PEAK Collins Penhall, Lee please, Pedersen has not even been good anough to dominate his main era rivals Ricko,Crump,Gollob,Hancock all better riders.I was shocked Ashby was not in Sids list to be honest .Not that you ever see him ride try you tube! Edited June 30, 2015 by sidney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 Wasnt Lee not banned once for endangering other riders sid?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 He's made you look a clown again on this thread, but once again you're not adult enough to hold your hands up and admit you were wrong. Interesting.... How many times have you seen Duggan, Wilkinson, Young and Huxley ride Sidney? Saying that Witcher most of them i named you have not seen at all have you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) Not that you ever see him ride How do you work that .. I used to watch him all the time Edited June 30, 2015 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 Wasnt Lee not banned once for endangering other riders sid??Well if you know your stuff you know that is untrue we will leave it at that. How do you work that .. I used to watch him all the timeDid you ?you seem to take the P... out of him at every opportunity to get at me, but i am glad you see him ride i will take your word for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 Well if you know your stuff you know that is untrue we will leave it at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 Thats a big NO and Boxing well we will leave it that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 Thats a big NO and Boxing well we will leave it that.no what?? What did he get banned for then?? Officially?? Lol...and you couldnt box eggs what you talking about?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) no what?? What did he get banned for then?? Officially?? Lol...and you couldnt box eggs what you talking about??To be honest the S... you come out with is unreal,and we don't want to get you upset and emotional do we.Lee his ban you know the truth the history behind it a PEAK Lee would of destroyed your love child Nicky. Edited June 30, 2015 by sidney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 To be honest the S... you come out with is unreal,and we don't want to get you upset and emotional do we.Lee his ban you know the truth the history behind it a PEAK Lee would of destroyed your love child Nicky.je couldnt even dominate his era sid ... Nice bloke tho eh The sh!t i come out with??... Hee hee.... Agreed.... I'll give you that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 Not FACT at all only your humble opinion me old mucker.!! As a ( ex) was Szczakiel a better rider? than S.Moran, Warren, Jessup, Sigalos,Adams, Carter, ect) the roll of honour says so but was he.?That is only a example and the Pole did deserve to win that title on that one given night.Pedersen certainly is in the modern day great riders ie) Ricko, Crump, Gollob, Hancock but i am not so sure about an all time top 20.I will be damned for this but i would be proud to have these riders in front of Pedersen here goes. Briggs, Mauger,Olsen, Fundin,Ricko,Young,Nielsen,Gundersen,Moore,Craven,Penhall,Lee,Collins,Michanek,Crump,Gollob,Wilkinson,Hancock,Duggan,Huxley. Out of that list Five of those only won one title each but i stll believed they were better riders than Pedersen( my opinion only !!) Duggan and Huxley have to be in the list Norbold would know more about that than me and even not forgetting Farndon.Now Arson have a look and see what you think,you might even agree with some of them and even Lily Savage might agree!! Sid, Gustix would be the man to ask, the most knowledgeable guy on hear for old time speedway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 Take a deep breath Arson don't wet your pants, have a read back if you are capable ? i did not say Jessup those others you mentioned believe me were at least on a par with Pedersen and that is MINIMUM giving you the benefit of the doubt.If you have seen these riders live you again like me are entitled to your opinion Gollob one title Pedersen three titles Gollob for me still the better rider awesome at times.Titles do not mean everything, Foreverblue was spot on i like him respect Pedersen for his titles but when you stack it up against others he is way down the list.Pedersen better than a PEAK Collins Penhall, Lee please, Pedersen has not even been good anough to dominate his main era rivals Ricko,Crump,Gollob,Hancock all better riders.Not that you ever see him ride try you tube!if your going to spout rubbish then at least back it up! Rickardsson first rode in the 1991 world final. Hancocks was 1993 same as Gollob. Crump first rode in the 1994 world final. Pedersen came on to the world scene in 2001 so a little bit after the others. Since coming on the scene Nicki has won 3 world crowns, Crump 3, Hancock 2, Tony and Gollob 1 each. I would suggest that the only one he didn't dominate in that era was Crump who I consider to be the better rider. But hey don't let facts get in the way of you having a good rant And you say they are all better riders? Rickardsson and Crump yes. The other 2 is open to opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 (edited) if your going to spout rubbish then at least back it up! Rickardsson first rode in the 1991 world final. Hancocks was 1993 same as Gollob. Crump first rode in the 1994 world final. Pedersen came on to the world scene in 2001 so a little bit after the others. Since coming on the scene Nicki has won 3 world crowns, Crump 3, Hancock 2, Tony and Gollob 1 each. I would suggest that the only one he didn't dominate in that era was Crump who I consider to be the better rider. But hey don't let facts get in the way of you having a good rantAnd you say they are all better riders? Rickardsson and Crump yes. The other 2 is open to opinion.Why are you such a prat sad or what, we all knew Ricko was placed those riders i would still consider them all modern day GREATS and Tai might soon join them is that to difficult for you to fathom? And after all that crap you spout you did not even mention the twenty i named i presume they are all inferior?Tell you something you are a total pain in the ass to talk to best thing is you carrying on badgering Starman. Edited July 1, 2015 by sidney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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