Arson fire Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 I dont where your getting this from ive never said he isnt a top rider, his record is there for all to see but you have to admired and held in high esteem tooyou dont?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 I dont where your getting this from ive never said he isnt a top rider, his record is there for all to see but you have to admired and held in high esteem too no you dont Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Nick Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 Goodness someone has been at the Sherry a bit early today. Would it be a fourth or fifth world title that would have ANY redeeming quality in your thinking. As you seemingly do not value the first three at all. Ivan Mauger got a Gold Bike for winning his third world title. Can't see what all the fuss was about. I believe Mauger got his gold bike for winning 3 Consecutive titles not just for winning 3 titles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 if Darcy goes on to win 3 world titles he will be considered a legend of the sport. a complete idiot off the track but a legend on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nw42 Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) you dont?? Correct, there may well be many examples but just look at Mike Tyson, a more despicable character I could not wish to meet, but despite his vile nature he is a true legend of boxing.. So NP has to be in the top 20 of all time, even if he is a dirty b------! 3 World Championships don't come easy. Edited June 30, 2015 by nw42 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 I believe Mauger got his gold bike for winning 3 Consecutive titles not just for winning 3 titles. You are quite right. But seeing as they were the only three he had won at that stage the pedantry is irrelevant in the context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 IVAN didn't get his gold bike as any sort of reward from the FIM or for winning three titles. It was a mate of his (Ray Bockleman) in California who came up with the idea of gold plating one of his bikes. Olsen later did the same and his bike is (or was) at the Hotel Haderslev. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sotonian Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 I dont where your getting this from ive never said he isnt a top rider, his record is there for all to see but you have to admired and held in high esteem too Not at all. Legends are made on achievements alone. I'd happily be hated and have 3 titles over being popular with none. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 IVAN didn't get his gold bike as any sort of reward from the FIM or for winning three titles. It was a mate of his (Ray Bockleman) in California who came up with the idea of gold plating one of his bikes. Olsen later did the same and his bike is (or was) at the Hotel Haderslev. It was still ther in 2010 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 Would you want to race side by side with someone who is likely to stuff you in the fence. Your trying to make out he races drunk most of the time whereas in truth he made one mistake and has paid the price How do you know that? He has only been caught once - that I grant you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) What about the pre war world champs. Why are they not safe? Same barometer? Even looking post war, who includes Jack Young or Tommy Price these days? The other problem is that as time goes by naturally more and more riders come to the fore. Whatever video exists of the 1970s, in 20 years time, we'll have had another 4,5,6 "greats" and people really won't remember the 70s. its not my opinion Sid its fact! Name 20 factually better riders than nicki and i will admit im wrong and you are right. Problem is you cant so you resort to bleating on about Nickis style or whatever.... I met both Kelly and Nicki a good few times and they are both smashing blokes... But that doesn't alter that your ramblings are factually incorrect bonny lad Not FACT at all only your humble opinion me old mucker.!! As a ( ex) was Szczakiel a better rider? than S.Moran, Warren, Jessup, Sigalos,Adams, Carter, ect) the roll of honour says so but was he.?That is only a example and the Pole did deserve to win that title on that one given night.Pedersen certainly is in the modern day great riders ie) Ricko, Crump, Gollob, Hancock but i am not so sure about an all time top 20.I will be damned for this but i would be proud to have these riders in front of Pedersen here goes. Briggs, Mauger,Olsen, Fundin,Ricko,Young,Nielsen,Gundersen,Moore,Craven,Penhall,Lee,Collins,Michanek,Crump,Gollob,Wilkinson,Hancock,Duggan,Huxley. Out of that list Five of those only won one title each but i stll believed they were better riders than Pedersen( my opinion only !!) Duggan and Huxley have to be in the list Norbold would know more about that than me and even not forgetting Farndon.Now Arson have a look and see what you think,you might even agree with some of them and even Lily Savage might agree!! Edited June 30, 2015 by sidney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 Not FACT at all only your humble opinion me old mucker.!! As a ( ex) was Szczakiel a better rider? than S.Moran, Warren, Jessup, Sigalos,Adams, Carter, ect) the roll of honour says so but was he.?That is only a example and the Pole did deserve to win that title on that one given night.Pedersen certainly is in the modern day great riders ie) Ricko, Crump, Gollob, Hancock but i am not so sure about an all time top 20.I will be damned for this but i would be proud to have these riders in front of Pedersen here goes. Briggs, Mauger,Olsen, Fundin,Ricko,Young,Nielsen,Gundersen,Moore,Craven,Penhall,Lee,Collins,Michanek,Crump,Gollob,Wilkinson,Hancock,Duggan,Huxley. Out of that list Four of those only won one title each but i stll believed they were better riders than Pedersen( my opinion only !!) Duggan and Huxley have to be in the list Norbold would know more about that than me and even not forgetting Farndon.Now Arson have a look and see what you think,you might even agree with some of them and even Lily Savage might agree!! Lily Savage won't agree with anything unless you write what he/her wants you to write. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 what's eggagerating? something to do with scrambling? I only ever give opinions. I see what you did there foreverblue - very clever. :rofl: I thought it was funny anyway. :rofl: Does anyone on here regard Freddie Williams as a Legend. I do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 Lily Savage won't agree with anything unless you write what he/her wants you to write. He's made you look a clown again on this thread, but once again you're not adult enough to hold your hands up and admit you were wrong. Not FACT at all only your humble opinion me old mucker.!! As a ( ex) was Szczakiel a better rider? than S.Moran, Warren, Jessup, Sigalos,Adams, Carter, ect) the roll of honour says so but was he.?That is only a example and the Pole did deserve to win that title on that one given night.Pedersen certainly is in the modern day great riders ie) Ricko, Crump, Gollob, Hancock but i am not so sure about an all time top 20.I will be damned for this but i would be proud to have these riders in front of Pedersen here goes. Briggs, Mauger,Olsen, Fundin,Ricko,Young,Nielsen,Gundersen,Moore,Craven,Penhall,Lee,Collins,Michanek,Crump,Gollob,Wilkinson,Hancock,Duggan,Huxley. Out of that list Five of those only won one title each but i stll believed they were better riders than Pedersen( my opinion only !!) Duggan and Huxley have to be in the list Norbold would know more about that than me and even not forgetting Farndon.Now Arson have a look and see what you think,you might even agree with some of them and even Lily Savage might agree!! Interesting.... How many times have you seen Duggan, Wilkinson, Young and Huxley ride Sidney? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) He's made you look a clown again on this thread, but once again you're not adult enough to hold your hands up and admit you were wrong. He asked a question i answered it. The only person he's making look a clown is himself with his ongoing anti poole Darcy rambllings. You thought he might have learn't since his ban, but clearly not. Edited June 30, 2015 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) IVAN didn't get his gold bike as any sort of reward from the FIM or for winning three titles. It was a mate of his (Ray Bockleman) in California who came up with the idea of gold plating one of his bikes. Just to keep up with the others in our particular area of 'Pedants Corner'. I don't think anyone has suggested that this was anything at all to do with the FIM. Ever. Here is a good photo of Ivan with the bike in the early seventies. http://justsolos.homestead.com/Ivan_12.jpg As you can see, Ivan liked to exhibit it with it's own plinth which he had sign-written as follows. "Triple Crown Special." This JAWA Speedway Machine was ridden by IVAN MAUGER in Wroclaw, Poland when he won the World Speedway Championship for a record breaking three times in succession. The machine was gold plated by Ray Bockleman and rebuilt by George Wenn and was presented to him in honour of the occasion. Edited June 30, 2015 by Grand Central Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 Not FACT at all only your humble opinion me old mucker.!! As a ( ex) was Szczakiel a better rider? than S.Moran, Warren, Jessup, Sigalos,Adams, Carter, ect) the roll of honour says so but was he.?That is only a example and the Pole did deserve to win that title on that one given night.Pedersen certainly is in the modern day great riders ie) Ricko, Crump, Gollob, Hancock but i am not so sure about an all time top 20.I will be damned for this but i would be proud to have these riders in front of Pedersen here goes. Briggs, Mauger,Olsen, Fundin,Ricko,Young,Nielsen,Gundersen,Moore,Craven,Penhall,Lee,Collins,Michanek,Crump,Gollob,Wilkinson,Hancock,Duggan,Huxley. Out of that list Five of those only won one title each but i stll believed they were better riders than Pedersen( my opinion only !!) Duggan and Huxley have to be in the list Norbold would know more about that than me and even not forgetting Farndon.Now Arson have a look and see what you think,you might even agree with some of them and even Lily Savage might agree!!ok sid... How you the hell you have jessup, lee, collins, penhall, hancock and even Gollob above him i will never fathom out... Some of them are before my time but i will take your word for it.... Btw Gollob and T rick could be a bit naughty as well btw. But going on track individual championships and medals Nicki is firmly entrenched in the top 20 of great speedway riders.... Regardless of anything else ...thats fact not my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 Sid was saying jessup ahead of scazkiel not pedersen I think? Tbh I can see arguments for each of Collins, Lee,penhall and Hancock being ahead of pedersen (not saying I would agree, but there are arguments u could make). Gollob rode the same era, for longer, but achieved far less so hard to argue for him though, similarly I can't see how you would rate michanek above pedersen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 I see what you did there foreverblue - very clever. :rofl: I thought it was funny anyway. :rofl: Does anyone on here regard Freddie Williams as a Legend. I do. Yes me, he was in the list I compiled earlier. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 I see what you did there foreverblue - very clever. :rofl: I thought it was funny anyway. :rofl: Does anyone on here regard Freddie Williams as a Legend. I do. Two time world champ would seem to qualify. Though almost certainly the worst double world champ of all time (hardly a bad title to hold) and ranked by most (?) behind the likes of single world champs like price Collins Lee gollob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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