Popular Post phillipsr Posted February 4, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 I did take it up with Neil who described it as banter!!! In my first reply to Neil i posted exactly what I said above before being called a retard!! I would argue that Neil had no good reason to say such a thing and did nothing but prove hes actually not a very nice person 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Next time Darcy is in trouble with the [police or speedway officialdom (and his current rate is once every 14 months since becoming a speedway rider) rather than giving him a fair hearing and time to build a case to defend himself the police or speedway officialdom should hold a hearing or court case the next day and punish him. Get it sorted ASAP? The reason time is give so you legal team can make sure everything is done correctly and is fair. You've just contradicted youirself there.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 I'd be very interested to hear what Mr Rising's views are of Mr Middleditch's twitter outbursts referred to in previous posts on here, and whether they deserve to be punished in any way by the authorities If they don't I can only surmise that it is what 58 year olds do 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 You've just contradicted youirself there.. No I haven't. How have I contradicted myself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 No I haven't. How have I contradicted myself?I wouldn't even try to get starman to explain his logic. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 I'd be very interested to hear what Mr Rising's views are of Mr Middleditch's twitter outbursts referred to in previous posts on here, and whether they deserve to be punished in any way by the authorities If they don't I can only surmise that it is what 58 year olds do Phil wont comment if it means going against Middlo or Darcy. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Could not find 2014 Anti Doping Code Rules. http://www.fim-live.com/fileadmin/user_upload/documents/CMI/FIM_ANTI-DOPING_CODE__updated_as_from_July_2014_.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 (edited) To be fair to Middlo he didn't call you retarded, he asked if you were retarded. Which is slightly different, but the whole tone of his exchange left no doubt of the offensive nature. For a team manager to conduct himself in such a manner is pretty demeaning, you would never expect people in similar positions in other sports getting so personal and offensive. As others have said, riders have been punished for bringing the sport into disrepute on social media and if the SCB have any regard for the public image of the sport one would expect Middleditch to be brought to book for his comments. The Poole management haven't covered themselves in glory throughout the Ward fiasco. From Middlo's initial "mitigating circumstances", to Ford "Hopefully he'll get off" to Middlo talking about "lots of grounds for appeal" whilst at the same time saying he didn't know what the alcohol readings were. We then had the tweet on Friday - "No decision till next week!!!What the hell is going on! #fimareajoke" which showed Middlo had no idea of the disciplinary process. One would have expected someone in his position to be familiar with FIM Anti-doping code so that he would have known there would be a period of deliberation before a decision was known. Edited February 4, 2015 by salty 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 To be fair to Middlo he didn't call you retarded, he asked if you were retarded. Which is slightly different, but the whole tone of his exchange left no doubt of the offensive nature. For a team manager to conduct himself in such a manner is pretty demeaning, you would never expect people in similar positions in other sports getting so personal and offensive. As others have said, riders have been punished for bringing the sport into disrepute on social media and if the the SCB have any regard for the public image of the sport one would expect Middleditch to brought to book for his comments. The hashtag #imrickyhavinbrainfittedsoon is quite obviously rude, offensive and something an EL team manager should not be tweeting at a fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrycuda Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 (edited) Post removed Edited June 2, 2015 by Barrycuda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 The hashtag #imrickyhavinbrainfittedsoon is quite obviously rude, offensive and something an EL team manager should not be tweeting at a fan. Just imagine if a Football manager had said that .... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 TBF, when Kelly was 23(?) people were saying eh was a sure fire thing to be a multi-World Champion. But he loved a drink and sometimes a few drugs. He enjoyed being "Kellly Moran - international speedway" to the ladies and having fun. He never achieved anything like was expected of him. He also then, as a result of his partying ways died a slow, horrible death at a very young age. I think the point being made is Darcy could end up like Kelly (all the talent but none of the commitment) or he could end up as a multi-World Champion. He could end up somewhere in the middle. But carrying on as he is he is heading for the Kelly Moran route BUT without the personality and charm that endeared Kelly to everyone he met - even Kenny Carter who hated anyone foreign loved Kelly! Interesting comparison made...I always said that Darcy Ward was the second coming of Michael Lee...all the talent but all the inability to walk the straight and narrow. It would be a shame to see Ward banned for too long in one respect, however, the fall out from those who support him "no matter what" is going to be marvelous to watch/read if he's banned for part of all of the 2015 season. Cassius Clay / Muhammed Ali had to stay out of the sport for a while...he was bigger box office when he made his comeback than he ever was before. A lengthy ban won't necessarily be a bad thing for the media in the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Interesting comparison made...I always said that Darcy Ward was the second coming of Michael Lee...all the talent but all the inability to walk the straight and narrow. Cassius Clay / Muhammed Ali had to stay out of the sport for a while...he was bigger box office when he made his comeback than he ever was before. A lengthy ban won't necessarily be a bad thing for the media in the long run. It depends if he would come back though, he may find another job, being the commodity that he is... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Cassius Clay / Muhammed Ali had to stay out of the sport for a while...he was bigger box office when he made his comeback than he ever was before. Yes. But he wasn't as fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Yes. But he wasn't as fast. He was with his fists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 (edited) Phil wont comment if it means going against Middlo or Darcy. WELL, actually I will but out of interest why not provide some evidence of me defending either Darcy or Neil as opposed to suggesting posters stick to the facts. It's not for me to determine whether Darcy is guilty or not. He failed a test, was charged with an offence and had his day in court, so to speak, just as any civilian would having been breathalysed on the roadside. My complaint is that this matter could and should have been done and dusted months ago. And certainly not because it involves Darcy Ward. As for Neil, Twitter can become a dangerous social tool when people make spontaneous comments without fully engaging their brain first. And in my own view some of his tweets (and I doubt whether I have seen or heard them all) were foolish at best but no doubt the FIM will make their determination on the facts rather than what is flying around in the ether. There are times when I cringe at some of the comments posted on the bsf, especially when they are of a personal nature, but that seems to be the way of the world right now. Anything involving Poole, Middlo or Ward seems to inflame passions that might otherwise be kept in check. I don't pretend that my opinion even after 50 (not 40!) years involved with speedway is worth more than that of anyone else. But given that the Jury President and referee in Latvia would have sent details of Ward's failed test to Geneva within 48 hours, surely it is reasonable to expect that the FIM could determine a course of action far more quickly than they did. They have plenty of top lawyers at their beck and call who could surely quickly advise whether the correct procedure was carried out. Incidentally, I don't think the suggestion that the test was carried out by a policeman (on or off duty) is factually correct. The FIM assigned doctor was present. Ward should have been charged, given 30 days to respond and a hearing, if necessary, convened within another 30 days. It's not rocket science. Edited February 4, 2015 by PHILIPRISING 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 WELL, actually I will but out of interest why not provide some evidence of me defending either Darcy or Neil as opposed to suggesting posters stick to the facts. It's not for me to determine whether Darcy is guilty or not. He failed a test, was charged with an offence and had his day in court, so to speak, just as any civilian would having been breathalysed on the roadside. My complaint is that this matter could and should have been done and dusted months ago. And certainly not because it involves Darcy Ward. Now i wonder if the linch mob on here will pull you to pieces for saying exactly the same thing as ive said... Somehow i doubt it..But, if you was a Poole fan !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 WELL, actually I will but out of interest why not provide some evidence of me defending either Darcy or Neil as opposed to suggesting posters stick to the facts. It's not for me to determine whether Darcy is guilty or not. He failed a test, was charged with an offence and had his day in court, so to speak, just as any civilian would having been breathalysed on the roadside. My complaint is that this matter could and should have been done and dusted months ago. And certainly not because it involves Darcy Ward. As for Neil, Twitter can become a dangerous social tool when people make spontaneous comments without fully engaging their brain first. And in my own view some of his tweets (and I doubt whether I have seen or heard them all) were foolish at best but no doubt the FIM will make their determination on the facts rather than what is flying around in the ether. There are times when I cringe at some of the comments posted on the bsf, especially when they are of a personal nature, but that seems to be the way of the world right now. Anything involving Poole, Middlo or Ward seems to inflame passions that might otherwise be kept in check. I don't pretend that my opinion even after 50 (not 40!) years involved with speedway is worth more than that of anyone else. But given that the Jury President and referee in Latvia would have sent details of Ward's failed test to Geneva within 48 hours, surely it is reasonable to expect that the FIM could determine a course of action far more quickly than they did. They have plenty of top lawyers at their beck and call who could surely quickly advise whether the correct procedure was carried out. Incidentally, I don't think the suggestion that the test was carried out by a policeman (on or off duty) is factually correct. The FIM assigned doctor was present. Ward should have been charged, given 30 days to respond and a hearing, if necessary, convened within another 30 days. It's not rocket science. Which Lawyers act quickly when they are on a retainer? The Legal profession are very professional at working slowly it seems. Think of the money. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 (edited) I feel like I am inhabiting another universe from some here. We all know that 'official' procedures take a very long time And that we all feel that it could be done a lot quicker. But it just doesn't happen like that. I was in a car crash last March 2014 and the court date that has finally been set for my claim for lost income is on May 15 2015. And the other side actually admit liability. My Mother had Cataract diagnosed last April and we should soon get a date when the operation will be done; probably in March or April this year. I have been in dispute with my Property Management company since mid 2010 and there is no sign of resolution best part of five years later. So ... P!ssed up Speedway Riders can damn well wait too! Edited February 4, 2015 by Grand Central 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrycuda Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 (edited) Post removed Edited June 2, 2015 by Barrycuda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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