Ghostwalker Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 Its easy to see why Ward gets into so many scrapes when he has Middlo as his role model....Personally think the FIM are doing a great job with Wards case, Instead of insulting the FIM Middlo should be telling Ward its his own fault he`s in this predicament. ...despite initially condemning Ward both Ford and Middlo continue to stick up for him, its exactly what he doesn`t need.....IF it was his FIRST misdemeanour you could understand people being sympathetic towards him but he`s supposedly been given the hard word from Ford and Middlo several times so I think he`s asked for ALL he gets and hopefully he`ll get it...... Imo they are doing the right thing to support him and they should definitely not just "abandon" him. However they are doing it in the wrong way and for the wrong reasons. They should support him so that he can solve his problem/issues, they should not support him by a constant stream of excuses. I guess that they think that if they wouldn't, Darcy would walk away and then they would be without their "golden boy", they are thinking of their team's best rather then Darcy's best. It was similar in his Swedish team after the Latvian GP. His Swedish team manager (Stefan Andersson) said before the season that he wouldn't tolerate any misbehaviour from Darcy this season but when being faced with the "ultimatum" of leaving Darcy outside the line-up or include him, he chose to include him. Obviously he did it to make his team stronger and his pre-season statement was just empty words. Stefan have kept a much lower profile though but with some "whining" in the media that it takes too long and etc. The thing is thought that he brought it upon himself by renewing Darcy's contract (we don't have the assets system that you have) despite that he knew that Darcy could be unavailable for the upcoming season. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 BEING accused of rape ... Precisely.................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 Precisely.................. So why did he have a trial? Just for the fun of it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 (edited) So why did he have a trial? Just for the fun of it? It didn't happen in the speedway world did it? It was ignored by the BSPA, his club and the speedway star. They think if they ignore it that it didn't happen. Edited January 31, 2015 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 Upon checking, looks like it was sexual assault he was accused of? There u go, a pillar of society! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 It didn't happen in the speedway world did it? It was ignored by the BSPA, his club and the speedway star. They think if they ignore it that it didn't happen. Bit like immigration rules then! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 (edited) Upon checking, looks like it was sexual assault he was accused of? There u go, a pillar of society! Technicalities. Rape is penetration of the penis. Sexual assault is penetration with something other than the penis. We'll he would be right if he's referring to you , what a sad person you are. Junior Sad maybe but I've never been accused of rape/sexual assault, been suspended from work for turning up drunk or had need to evade the let alone actually try evading them on an unlicensed vehicle. It's funny seeing people get wound up when Darcy list of misdemeanours are brought up. That's without mention of the night he got beat around the head with a wheel brace. Edited January 31, 2015 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 Technicalities. Rape is penetration of the penis. Sexual assault is penetration with something other than the penis. Agreed. But was the only reason I could think of why phil and twk would post that he hadn't been accused of rape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 HE was also found not guilty... and Speedway Star did report the court case HE was found not guilty of the charge against him and Speedway Star did report on the court case at the time. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 (edited) But scb didn't call him a rapist or guilty of rape, he said he was accused of rape. Why did you dispute that? Edited January 31, 2015 by waihekeaces1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 But scb didn't call him a rapist or guilty of rape, he said he was accused of rape. Why did you dispute that? He technically wasn't accused of rape. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 Because Philip Rising is a Darcy apologist!! Has been all the way through 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 He technically wasn't accused of rape. Quite true. It was the underage boy in his company that was charged with rape. The clarity of that distinction is so comforting, don't you find?. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 At the end of the day Darcy has quite a list of things he has been accused of. Things that a normal human being would not be accused of. We all make mistakes in life but ive certainly not made any on the level Ward has. Its quite true that none of his previous should be taken into account when the decision is made on the length of his ban. However it is quite hilarious listening to the people trying to actually stick up for him, quite pathetic really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
500cc Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 If Ward were to be found guilty (and I accept that remains an open issue), what would everyone think of this. a) Either a suspension for a period as determined by the FIM OR An earlier re-instatement but with stringent conditions for the period between re-instatement and the expiry of the full suspension. Those conditions would be an agreement for zero consumption of alcohol and regular testing during this restricted period. This includes no alcohol in his personal time, even if he isn't riding that week for example. It would also include the period where his personal bookings for the European season had finished but the restrictive period was in place (i.e. he was on holiday). Failure to adhere would result in the immediate activation of the full suspension, with the potential (and probability) of an actual increase in that suspension. Not advocating this, just wondering people's thoughts. The bit that does resonate with me, is that Ward's "problems" do appear entrenched with alcohol. Not necessarily what we'd perceive as drunk, but just being around it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 (edited) 500cc, I don't think FIM have the authority to decide what Darcy does or eat/drink outside of competition (except for banned substances obviously) especially since alcohol is only banned "in competition", Neither do I think that it's for FIM's to set Darcy straight, that is Darcy's own responsibility. Edited January 31, 2015 by Ghostwalker 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 If Ward were to be found guilty (and I accept that remains an open issue), what would everyone think of this. a) Either a suspension for a period as determined by the FIM OR An earlier re-instatement but with stringent conditions for the period between re-instatement and the expiry of the full suspension. Those conditions would be an agreement for zero consumption of alcohol and regular testing during this restricted period. This includes no alcohol in his personal time, even if he isn't riding that week for example. It would also include the period where his personal bookings for the European season had finished but the restrictive period was in place (i.e. he was on holiday). Failure to adhere would result in the immediate activation of the full suspension, with the potential (and probability) of an actual increase in that suspension. Not advocating this, just wondering people's thoughts. The bit that does resonate with me, is that Ward's "problems" do appear entrenched with alcohol. Not necessarily what we'd perceive as drunk, but just being around it. Whatever one thinks about Darcy Ward, it's not for a sporting body to impose draconian restrictions on one's lifestyle. He hasn't committed (in this particular case) a criminal offence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 (edited) Quite true. It was the underage boy in his company that was charged with rape. The clarity of that distinction is so comforting, don't you find?. Phil Rising could quite easily have clarified the situation rather than allege libel on a technicality. However, I think it's fair to point that Darcy Ward was acquitted in that particular case, so he shouldn't really be described as even an 'alleged sexual assaulter'. Clearly trouble seems to follow the bloke around, probably because he likes a drink too many, but that doesn't automatically make someone guilty of everything they're accused of... Edited January 31, 2015 by Humphrey Appleby 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 Very very harsh to describe Ward as ' a sexual assaulter' What Ward does is attract trouble thats pretty obvious 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 Do we know which day the verdict it's likely to be next week? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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