Guest Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 The Social Media group on behalf of Darcy Ward now has 4,671 messages of support. And the petition for Ward to be allowed back to speedway, which I am not signing, and is destined to be sent to the FIM. now has nearly 350 signatures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 The Social Media group on behalf of Darcy Ward now has 4,671 messages of support. And the petition for Ward to be allowed back to speedway, which I am not signing, and is destined to be sent to the FIM. now has nearly 350 signatures. Wow...So only about 350 of the 4,671 on that group actually signed the petition...That says a lot. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 Why are you not signing the petition, gustix? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 Wow...So only about 350 of the 4,671 on that group actually signed the petition...That says a lot. Give the petition a chance: it has only been running for a few days on the Social Media site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 (edited) Why are you not signing the petition, gustix?I imagine he does not want to devalue it Mickey Mouse, Winston Churchill and Nelson Mandela could all sign up. But any 'Gustix' signature would render it laughable. Edited January 18, 2015 by Grand Central 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 (edited) You could make it 351, gustix. Why haven't you signed it? Edited January 17, 2015 by norbold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 Not sure whether this is the same petition that our resident nutter is prattling on about, because it's not on facebook, it's on some even dafter website called change.org, but it's a petition to allow Ward to ride....and it has 400 signees.....and if you look through the signatures, it's been signed by some well known names. https://www.change.org/p/fim-live-stop-the-ban-and-let-darcy-ward-race-in-2015 Have a read through the people who have signed. (Click on the "most popluar" tab rather than "latest"). It's been signed by some big names like Rolf Harris, Kim Jong Un, Stevie Wonder, Adolf Hitler, Oliver Reed and George Best! 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 Give the petition a chance: it has only been running for a few days on the Social Media site. Petition? Why? What do you expect to achieve with it? Why should FIM care or even take notice of this petition? The FIM CDI is not a democracy where you can get to vote on things by launching petitions. Neither is it Idol where you can phone in to vote on your favourite to win. Darcy will be in a hearing where he will be requested to explain how he came to be over the allowed limit of alcohol. Patryk Dudek had a plausible explanation to why he had the forbidden substance in his system, James Stewart Jr had a plausible explanation to why he had amphetamine in his system. Both riders was sentenced to 12 and 16 months ban respectively. What is Darcy's explanation? That he received some bad news (which turned out to be untruthful)? That he had few drinks? How many is a few if he still was intoxicated the day after? ---- Regarding the "other" riders who also enjoys to drink the night before a meeting well, it's just as wrong as Darcy doing it but you need some evidence since, to our knowledge, nobody except Darcy have been caught. It also doesn't make Darcy's case any less severe, "others are doing it too" is not an argument. If you know who they are, well why not send a tip to Wada or FIM? vhttps://www.wada-ama.org/en/contact-us You would do the sport a big favour if you did. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 Not sure whether this is the same petition that our resident nutter is prattling on about, because it's not on facebook, it's on some even dafter website called change.org, but it's a petition to allow Ward to ride....and it has 400 signees.....and if you look through the signatures, it's been signed by some well known names. https://www.change.org/p/fim-live-stop-the-ban-and-let-darcy-ward-race-in-2015 Have a read through the people who have signed. (Click on the "most popluar" tab rather than "latest"). It's been signed by some big names like Rolf Harris, Kim Jong Un, Stevie Wonder, Adolf Hitler, Oliver Reed and George Best! Here is a sample from the petition: Reasons for signing Rolf Harris LONDON, UNITED KINGDOM So what if Darcy got pished as a koala on Fosters? Those Europeans are always trying to convict us fair-dinkum Aussies for little indiscretions. I was also stiched up at the Court of King Caractacus. Kim Jong-Un KIM JONG-UN CITY, KOREA, DEMOCRATIC PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF Ward is an imposter. I am the true Speedway World Champion of the Universe!! Oliver Reed POOLE, UNITED KINGDOM I like Darcy cos he drinks loads!!!!!!!!!! There's lots more like this. So he does have some powerful supporters with excellent reasons. No doubt the F.I.M. will give it all the attention it deserves. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 Not sure whether this is the same petition that our resident nutter is prattling on about, because it's not on facebook, it's on some even dafter website called change.org, but it's a petition to allow Ward to ride....and it has 400 signees.....and if you look through the signatures, it's been signed by some well known names.Yes, this is exactly the same petition that gustix has been talking about. The creator of the facebook group that he has been so closely following and informing us about has linked to this petition, there isn't a different one on facebook. Regarding the "other" riders who also enjoys to drink the night before a meeting well, it's just as wrong as Darcy doing it but you need some evidence since, to our knowledge, nobody except Darcy have been caught. It also doesn't make Darcy's case any less severe, "others are doing it too" is not an argument.I have to admit that I have also been witness to riders drinking the night before they have raced on many occasions. Whether they were still over the regulated limit when their meeting started the next day I have no way of knowing... Whilst drinking the night before a meeting probably isn't the most professional approach, I have always just assumed that they knew the limit to keep themselves inside the rules and if they wanted to be something less than totally professional then that was their business. Let's not forget that Darcy himself was tested in Poland the day after the British GP last year as there were suggestions that he had been pished the night before and he passed the test fine... There are a lot of people on this thread that seem to be getting wound up about riders drinking the night before a meeting...I have no issue with a rider that drinks the night before a meeting as long as they are under the regulated limit when it comes time to take to the track. Any perceived lack of professionalism is between them and the team they are representing. As far as I can work out, the most sensible approach would be to make it compulsory for every rider to have to pass a breath test before every meeting that they are in...If it's enforced at every meeting you don't need to make it a big punishment for failure. Currently the potential big punishments are all about making an example of those that are caught because the testing isn't complete and that's fine for drug testing where it's relatively expensive to test at every event and the results aren't available immediately. Alcohol testing is cheap and easy. If you tested everyone before every meeting then a failed test would just lead to exclusion from that meeting...Missing that meeting would then be punishment enough. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 I have to admit that I have also been witness to riders drinking the night before they have raced on many occasions. Whether they were still over the regulated limit when their meeting started the next day I have no way of knowing... I'm sure many undoubtedly would have been (and still are). It's also the case that other factors (such as eating) affect how alcohol is absorbed by the body, so it's possible to get caught out if the limit is zero, although the obvious argument is don't drink at all the night before. I do think though, that you have to balance the severity of a penalties between those marginally above a zero limit a few hours before a meeting, those over the limit just before a meeting, and those that turn up stinking drunk. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 (edited) I think there is a need for reflection in regard to my Posts which refer to those media sectors in support of Darcy Ward. (1) The Facebook group: I have never advocated that any BSF member ally to what is being said there or that they join the group. I am not a member of this nor have I been among those who have advocated support for the rider in a campaign to lift the ban on him. All I have done is to bring to attention the fact that there is such a group and how it has been progressing in strength for its purpose and to show that there are those who have a variant view in regard to Ward to many of those expressed on the BSF. (2) Much the same applies in regard to the petition designed it is said for eventual transmission to the FIM which calls for any ban on Darcy Ward to be lifted. This petition came to light because of its adoption by the previously mentioned Facebook group. Such an action has nothing to do with me. Of more importance, again I have never suggested that any BSF member sign the petition. My aim was is to show that such a petition has been established. I felt it was all part of showing further interest in certain areas where there is support for the lifting of sanctions against Ward. That petition has seemingly been hi-jacked with dubious signatures which reduces its value, but then I am certain that 'Mickey Mouse' signatures appear on most on-line petitions (many of which have featured over they years on other bSF threads?). I have personal views on this particular petition's value and as previously said I will not be signing it. (3) I have been told in a PM from another BSF member that besides the Facebook support group for Darcy Ward that there is also a very active TWITTER account along similar likes? If this is so, and in comparison with the previously mentioned pro-Darcy Ward Facebook page, it appears there are many who are supportive of the rider? Edited January 18, 2015 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 Has it ever occurred to you, gustix, that the people supporting the Facebook page, the petition and the Twitter feed are the same people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 All I have done is to bring to attention the fact that there is such a group and how it has been progressing in strength for its purpose and to show that there are those who have a variant view in regard to Ward to many of those expressed on the BSF. Yes, but their view is totally irrelevant. It's a disciplinary matter, and one that hasn't even been adjudged yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 Yes, but their view is totally irrelevant. It's a disciplinary matter, and one that hasn't even been adjudged yet. Lets not get started on the 'innocent until proven guilty' argument again - or the 5 month suspension will again be brought into question!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyretrax Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 i have. how constructive do you want me to be? My 9 year old daughter could have wrote it better. highlighted a couple of things. She could have WRITTEN it better than you too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyretrax Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 Paleco? Are you a Paulco tribute poster? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 Whether its hundreds, thousands or indeed hundreds of thousands sign the Ward support petition on social media I doubt it will hold much sway with the FIM, one thing though I wish the disciplinary date was here and we could put this whole episode to bed one way or another. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dornier Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 No doubt Wards getting a big lift from all his fans who seem to condone his continued misdemeanours....... thats just what he needs.....keep up the good work ! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 No doubt Wards getting a big lift from all his fans who seem to condone his continued misdemeanours....... thats just what he needs.....keep up the good work ! Don't think anyone is condoning what Ward did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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