Starman2006 Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Drunk - to be intoxicated by alcohol. Yes, he was drunk. Clearly you have led a very sheltered life then... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Many on here have stated Darcy was DRUNK, that could never be further from the truth. even someone of your limited intelligence can see theres a difference.. RIGHT FOR THE LAST TIME!!! NOBODY HAS SAID HE WAS DRUNK!! He was over the limit end of story. Now contribute to the discussion or eff off and let the adults chat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealdstone Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 For Gods sake whatever phrase or euphemism you like to use he was barred from the Grand Prix and subsequently suspended due to concerns that he had too much to drink. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Now you are being silly.Of course it has a lot to do with Castagna.He is the top man(won't even ask why he wasn't there being one of the top speedway meetings of the season at a new venue etc)and the buck stops with him after a series of faux pas' during his reign.And if the case isn't water tight he should have made sure it was dropped before it got taken out of the CCP's hands. THE CCP Director (which, incidentally, isn't a full-time paid role) doesn't attend all SGP rounds ... Ilka Teromaa was Jury President in Latvia. And as is the procedure at the FIM the Ward case was immediately handed over to their legal guys. Sounds like you have some sort of vendetta against Armando but this one was never in his jurisdiction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Many on here have stated Darcy was DRUNK, that could never be further from the truth. even someone of your limited intelligence can see theres a difference.. You were asked to quote earlier, you've still failed to do so. Back up your statement, or as it stands, you're making it up.. Again. Meanwhile, following Phil Risings posts, it's looking more and more clear the ground is being prepared for Darcy to be cleared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 You were asked to quote earlier, you've still failed to do so. Back up your statement, or as it stands, you're making it up.. Again. Meanwhile, following Phil Risings posts, it's looking more and more clear the ground is being prepared for Darcy to be cleared. I WOULD state that I have no more knowledge of this than anyone else. But there have been recent signs from the Ward camp that he is confident of riding again in 2015. For sometime there has been a feeling (nothing more) that the lack of judgement from the FIM suggests that there is a technical flaw in their case. What I do know categorically is that there are some within the corridors of power in Geneva who are fearful of the consequences of the Ward case being thrown out and the FIM then being subjected to legal action by Ward with regard to loss of earnings, sponsorship, etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) Come on Phil,the tone of many of your posts is one of he he the FIM look like they have ballsed this one up and darcy will be taking them to the cleaners......maybe.Surely if this is the case heads must roll and not put all the blame on some off duty Latvian policeman which is the usual BSI line on blaming the locals!!!!! Castagna as the boss and as you say Teromaa was the chief on the spot,seem to be the obvious candidates Edited January 12, 2015 by iris123 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Meanwhile, following Phil Risings posts, it's looking more and more clear the ground is being prepared for Darcy to be cleared. Really? ... Not so sure that it looks that way at all to me. It sounds more that the 'friends of Darcy' are trying to 'talk up' a bit of a propaganda war; in the (probably) mistaken belief that the FIM are listening. I think the truth is that the FIM judicial process is so far removed from the personalities mentioned here that they are of no import whatsoever.. Most cases seem to be dealt with by a single lawyer from the FIM panel in a hotel somewhere in Europe who have next to no knowledge of anyone in the sport or even motorsport. They just do seem to genuinely judge the facts. I seriously doubt whether they would care one jot about other considerations as they do not read The Daily Star, Speedway Star, the Poole Echo or even the BSF! I do think that Darcy will get his justice; whatever that may be. The rest is just flim flam. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusky Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Is that an actual fact? Standard practise, in the event of a failure another test is run - a B sample if you will, and the lower reading is taken as the accepted reading. I'm sure that this will be what happened in this case, especially given that everybody else tests passed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Really? ... Not so sure that it looks that way at all to me. It sounds more that the 'friends of Darcy' are trying to 'talk up' a bit of a propaganda war; in the (probably) mistaken belief that the FIM are listening. I think the truth is that the FIM judicial process is so far removed from the personalities mentioned here that they are of no import whatsoever.. Most cases seem to be dealt with by a single lawyer from the FIM panel in a hotel somewhere in Europe who have next to no knowledge of anyone in the sport or even motorsport. They just do seem to genuinely judge the facts. I seriously doubt whether they would care one jot about other considerations as they do not read The Daily Star, Speedway Star, the Poole Echo or even the BSF! I do think that Darcy will get his justice; whatever that may be. The rest is just flim flam. I AGREE to a point. Nothing that is said here or in the media will have any bearing on the case. The FIM's lawyers will have to prove their case while Ward's lawyers attempt to dismantle it. And that seems to be where we are right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Most cases seem to be dealt with by a single lawyer from the FIM panel in a hotel somewhere in Europe who have next to no knowledge of anyone in the sport or even motorsport. They just do seem to genuinely judge the facts. It's more than one. A few is closer and inaccurate enough to cover close enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 I WOULD state that I have no more knowledge of this than anyone else. But there have been recent signs from the Ward camp that he is confident of riding again in 2015. For sometime there has been a feeling (nothing more) that the lack of judgement from the FIM suggests that there is a technical flaw in their case. What I do know categorically is that there are some within the corridors of power in Geneva who are fearful of the consequences of the Ward case being thrown out and the FIM then being subjected to legal action by Ward with regard to loss of earnings, sponsorship, etc. Suspected this some time ago. Looking like an 'out of court' settlement may be on the cards here then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 It's more than one. A few is closer and inaccurate enough to cover close enough. I have no idea about this case. You may know more. But there have been many cases heard in the last few years by the FIM where it has been just one single judge sitting alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) I have no idea about this case. You may know more. But there have been many cases heard in the last few years by the FIM where it has been just one single judge sitting alone. As always my own educated guess started to worry me, so this from last years book. You were closer. 3.3 THE INTERNATIONAL DISCIPLINARY COURT (CDI) 3.3.1 Composition For each case, the CDI is made up of 1 or 3 members appointed by the Director of the International Commission of Judges (according to Article 3.2.3). The Court may request the opinion of an expert or examine a witness whom it considers useful. 3.3.2 Competence The CDI will hear any appeals against decisions taken by an International Jury, the Race Direction or the Referee or, in the case of an International Meeting, By a FMNR following an appeal in first instance. The CDI adjudicates in first instance upon request of the International Jury, the Race Direction or the Referee or competent bodies. After a meeting, the President of the FIM, the Executive Board or the Board of Directors may, within 5 days, refer to the CDI all matters of violation or infringement to the FIM regulations, pursuant to Article 3.3.2, last paragraph. Violation or non-observance of FIM rules and regulations are referred in first instance to the CDI by the more diligent party. Edited January 12, 2015 by f-s-p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 I AGREE to a point. Nothing that is said here or in the media will have any bearing on the case. The FIM's lawyers will have to prove their case while Ward's lawyers attempt to dismantle it. And that seems to be where we are right now. Which is, frankly, the same place we have been since we started all this. I still feel that Darcy is playing a high stakes game. Pleading not guilty and basing everything on a technicality to get off. That tactic could lead to the heaviest penalty if he loses. An early guilty plea combined with good mitigation and the whole thing could have been over by now. With him back in action by March Just a thought. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Good question. Maybe due to the confusion of the GP being urgently rescheduled the official FIM tester was not present and this guy was drafted in at short notice as he had some experience. Very early on in this farce long before Brian Rix had undone his belt never mind dropped his trousers I said the very same thing. I also mentioned that in the post cancellation chaos certain procedures may have been done incorrectly . Most posters who responded seemed to think I was a crackpot. Maybe I am,but maybe I'm right 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Which is, frankly, the same place we have been since we started all this. I still feel that Darcy is playing a high stakes game. Pleading not guilty and basing everything on a technicality to get off. That tactic could lead to the heaviest penalty if he loses. An early guilty plea combined with good mitigation and the whole thing could have been over by now. With him back in action by March Just a thought. I thought that is exactly what he did do!! But was it based on a false test? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 All the hallmarks of Ryan Braun in MLB. They got him in the end however, so my take is if Ward escapes on a technicality he is going to have to keep his nose very, very clean indeed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Suspected this some time ago. Looking like an 'out of court' settlement may be on the cards here then. How can this be an out of court settlement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 RIGHT FOR THE LAST TIME!!! NOBODY HAS SAID HE WAS DRUNK!! He was over the limit end of story. Now contribute to the discussion or eff off and let the adults chat You really do have a problem with me don't you... You may have got shot of Steve and Alan, but you will NOT be doing the same to me, so I suggest, you get of my back. As I said, many on the old Darcy thread stated Darcy was Drunk, again, there is a massive difference to being DRUNK and being slightly over, if he was... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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