Guest Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 (edited) How many speedway offences has Darcy Ward ever been punished for. I am not interested in data on any possible off-track misdemeanours that may have been committed. Not that any past speedway offences if any should influence the current charge against him. Quite a few in his career. On occasion though his team mate has mitigated the issue by winning the heat and gaining a 3-3 shared heat !!! Nothing really major then, as I read your response. Actions which in other sports get the colourful description of "gamesmanship." Edited December 10, 2014 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 More like a liability...if that's the case i am sure Poole will release him for nothing get real! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 How many speedway offences has Darcy Ward ever been punished for. I am not interested in data on any possible off-track misdemeanours that may have been committed. Not that any past speedway offences if any should influence the current charge against him. Absolutly totally irrelevent. He should be banned for whatever the outcome is for failing a breath test its that simple. I personally feel 6 month ban is fine. However no point in that ban being backdated as in effect he missed 2 months of the season. I believe he should be banned for the first 4 months of this season and see him back in July. He basically needs to miss racing otherwise he ban is worthless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 How many speedway offences has Darcy Ward ever been punished for. I am not interested in data on any possible off-track misdemeanours that may have been committed. Not that any past speedway offences if any should influence the current charge against him. Absolutly totally irrelevent. He should be banned for whatever the outcome is for failing a breath test its that simple. I personally feel 6 month ban is fine. However no point in that ban being backdated as in effect he missed 2 months of the season. I believe he should be banned for the first 4 months of this season and see him back in July. He basically needs to miss racing otherwise he ban is worthless Your response is a little hard to work out as to if you agree with me about Darcy Ward's "past offences" being irrelevent or not? I say they are not. Yes, a six month ban would be adequate but I do not think it can only be for the British/European season. The meeting where Darcy Ward's offence was classified as international so such a suspension would as I expect be on a 12 month basis incorporating when Ward was stopped from racing in the 2014 season (do you agree Doug if you are peeping in? ). As he could be racing in Australia, New Zealand, South Africa or Argentina at the moment, technically Ward is missing racing opportunities elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 Your response is a little hard to work out as to if you agree with me about Darcy Ward's "past offences" being irrelevent or not? I say they are not. Yes, a six month ban would be adequate but I do not think it can only be for the British/European season. The meeting where Darcy Ward's offence was classified as international so such a suspension would as I expect be on a 12 month basis incorporating when Ward was stopped from racing in the 2014 season (do you agree Doug if you are peeping in? ). As he could be racing in Australia, New Zealand, South Africa or Argentina at the moment, technically Ward is missing racing opportunities elsewhere. i agree that his previous incidents should not be taken into account. what i disagree with is that it should include the winter months. Darcys main income is from racing in the european leagues , uk, poland and sweden. So that is where he should be banned from competing, not a couple of small eetings in oz , when they basically are over there for a jolly up. I am not one of these people who think he should have a year or 2 year ban i think 6 months is fine. But lets make the 6 months a proper 6 months not back date it to when there was no racing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 I agree six month's is about right he has served two so July could be a return date.Wouldn't it make more sense to give him a massive fine,and have a suspended sentence hanging over him anymore slip ups and the next time could be terminal for his career.I say this because (ie) his GP career is in tatters at the moment his own fault of course that is a massive punishment in itself.And also the public are not punished as well being denied the chance of seeing him ride. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtommo Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 see darcy just tweeted thats him out of the Melbourne gp 2015 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 Well he's not been announced in the rider list of the Aussie Championships - because of the provisional international suspension - so there goes any hope of getting the SGP Wildcard for the Aussie GP in October, unless the Aussie authorities and/or BSI have a rethink!! I would call that a significant punishment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
500cc Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 i agree that his previous incidents should not be taken into account. what i disagree with is that it should include the winter months. Darcys main income is from racing in the european leagues , uk, poland and sweden. So that is where he should be banned from competing, not a couple of small eetings in oz , when they basically are over there for a jolly up. I am not one of these people who think he should have a year or 2 year ban i think 6 months is fine. But lets make the 6 months a proper 6 months not back date it to when there was no racing You can't do that though. You can't relate a ban to where it has the most 'negative' impact. Any ban (if guilty) should be a fixed amount regardless of when it is. Even the length of the ban shouldn't be swayed by whether its a fit "punishment" based on competition missed. Otherwise it opens open huge future (or previous) issues with consistency. It does illustrate though the big difference between a 6 (or 3) month and 1 year ban to any sportsman. A full year ban not only covers any off season, it is almost guaranteed to hit two different seasons. The effect of a shorter ban varies depending on timing. In the end any ban (if applicable) length should be based on fact and procedure. If its deemed lower end then the ban is short and the impact could be "relatively" minimal. Not trying to put words into your mouth, but the severity you think is correct is more mapped to a 1 year ban. The decision can't be made that way, but the offence itself could link to a 1 year ban. By suspending Ward immediately, I think that hits him quite hard anyway. Quite possibly cost him becoming World Champion and hit his pocket with no prior warning. A six month ban in the European off-season running into the start of the next season would have been less harsh. Still ruled out of the 2015 GP's, but could probably just delay the start of his European season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 Well he's not been announced in the rider list of the Aussie Championships - because of the provisional international suspension - so there goes any hope of getting the SGP Wildcard for the Aussie GP in October, unless the Aussie authorities and/or BSI have a rethink!! I would call that a significant punishment. I agree with what you say. It may also add to the fact that international ban recognition means Darcy Ward's punishment - if there is any? - will be based on 12 months internationally rather than six months UK/Europe seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 i get what people are saying but if Darcy Ward lines up at the tapes in March for the start of the Elite League, Polish Leafue, Swedish league, then i feel he has got off quite lightly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 Well he's not been announced in the rider list of the Aussie Championships - because of the provisional international suspension - so there goes any hope of getting the SGP Wildcard for the Aussie GP in October, unless the Aussie authorities and/or BSI have a rethink!! I would call that a significant punishment. Why would that rule him out of a wild card in Melbourne ... or am I being stupid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 (edited) Why would that rule him out of a wild card in Melbourne ... or am I being stupid? Phil: Be careful asking a question like that on the BSF. They have a tendency to backfire on you - as I know all too well! Edited December 10, 2014 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 Phil: Be careful asking a question like that on the BSF. They have a tendency to backfire on you - as I know all too well! THOUGHT I would say it before someone else! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 (edited) Why would that rule him out of a wild card in Melbourne ... or am I being stupid?I don't know but why has Darcy Ward tweeted that he is out of the 2015 Melbourne GP?Darcy Ward has just tweeted, "@D_Dublu_racing: Reading highest placed non gp rider is Aussie tittle gets wild card" (sic) Edited December 10, 2014 by norbold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 (edited) Because he's banned until at least Jan 15th he wont be able to ride in the Aussie championships (Jan 2nd-10th). Thus he can't hope to be wildcarded into the Melbourne GP because the wildcard slot goes to the highest placed non GP rider in the Championship. As i understand from here http://www.worldspeedway.com/artman/publish/article_29737.shtml Edited December 10, 2014 by pugwash 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 Because he's banned until at least Jan 15th he wont be able to ride in the Aussie championships (Jan 2nd-10th). Thus he can't hope to be wildcarded into the Melbourne GP because the wildcard slot goes to the highest placed non GP rider in the Championship. As i understand from here http://www.worldspeedway.com/artman/publish/article_29737.shtml JUST checked with BSI and that info is wrong ... expect a retraction soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 JUST checked with BSI and that info is wrong ... expect a retraction soon. Someone should tell Darcy and Motorcycle Australia pretty quickly too!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 (edited) JUST checked with BSI and that info is wrong ... expect a retraction soon. Phew, bet you thought they'd scooped you. Just goes to show that you can't believe what you read, unless it's in 'The Speedway Star'. Edited December 10, 2014 by pugwash 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 (edited) Someone should tell Darcy and Motorcycle Australia pretty quickly too!! That message may have already been sent. Remember there is a nine hour time difference ahead (according to Google search) between Europe and Australia. http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/australia/melbourne Edited December 10, 2014 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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