Darcy Ward

[Tsunami]

But he wouldn't be riding the next day so the issue is what?

But he was riding then.

[Al Stewart]

Methylhexanamine is the substance that had been claimed to have been found in Dudek's first sample by the Polish press.

 

The last major FIM competitor to be caught with this was Australian Anthony West. The FIM gave him a 1 month ban which the world anti doping agency then appealed and it was increased to 18 months, so it's clearly something that the WADA care about greatly.

I don't think speedway has a remotely coherent policy on drugs, they simply pinch lists of long names from other sports which may or may not be appropriate.

 

This one seems to be banned because it is dangerous to the person who uses it, rather than to anyone else. The idea of anything being performance-enhancing in speedway is ludicrous, obviously on the other hand if it makes a rider less competent (as in drink) then it is serious.

 

It would be more relevant in Dudek's case to find out how he came to have the drug in his system. I suspect he won't know.

[waiheke1]

The body gets rid of alcohol at roughly 1 unit per hour. A pint is approx 2.5 units. It also takes an amount of time to enter your system. If you drink 5 pints between 8PM and midnight then it will be mid day before that alcohol has left your system.

So, ward was tested about 1pm? With equivalent of over a pint in his system. So assuming he stopped drinking at midnight, it would seem he'd consumed around six pints.

Not a massive amount, but certainly enough to be at least slightly intoxicated, and certainly unacceptable and dangerous given his occupation and schedule the following day.

Plenty of professions it would be fine to drink thst much and go to work the next day (so long as not driving to work), but dpeedway rider is not one of those.

You shouldn't be driving two hours later & yes you should be punished if caught. Alcohol will still affect your cognitive development whilst in your system.

However it's even worse if you were driving a bike without breaks in a small space with 3 other riders who have to put their trust in you on track at high speed.

Obviously! It was a rhetorical question in response to the postings from Ray Stadia, who has clearly decided that, in the continued absence of Starman, the forum idiot quota needed filling.

[keyham]

This is my final post on this thread and I speak from experience here. As an ex submariner of 20 years, when at sea the bar is always OPEN. But strangely enough there is an un- written law we ALL abide by. When at sea you DON`T DRINK. Now that rule is kind of self explanatory, other people`s lives depend on your actions 24 hours a day.

Now when you put your bum on a machine that has no brakes, and where people`s lives depend on your actions, and sadly some lives have been lost, not saying at any ones actions caused this but lives have been lost, it is laughing in the face of danger, and others, and the responsibility towards colleagues you race with to ignore the consequences. The words what if should never arise in this situation, what if is to late.

[Ray Stadia]

 

Are you for real.

 

It is breaking the rules to have an excessive amount of alcohol in your body and intending to race with it.

 

Do you really think we are talking about one or two beers here. To still be in his system at 1 or 2PM the next day Darcy will have consumed a good amount and quite likely late into the evening. Totally inappropriate for a sportsman anyway

But what you don't seem to understand, is most criminal law is built around intent. It is LIKELY, Darcy didn't INTEND to get so drunk that he would fail a drink test and (maybe) put his co riders in danger. If this test is so crucial and so important to all riders safety, then I say all riders should take the test. I wonder how many would be on the same charge as Darcy! Or at the very least INSIST riders have one of these breathalysers in their tool kit to test themselves before entering the stadium.

[StevePark]

I can't see what the argument is.

 

Darcy Ward was tested and failed the test.

 

The only argument should be how much a fine or ban should he receive.

 

A sliding scale for alcohol should be in place. So if only 'marginally' over the limit a fine and/or a short ban, to 'massively' over the limit a long ban.

 

As for 'mitigating circumstances' read 'pathetic excuse.'

But what you don't seem to understand, is most criminal law is built around intent. It is LIKELY, Darcy didn't INTEND to get so drunk that he would fail a drink test and (maybe) put his co riders in danger. If this test is so crucial and so important to all riders safety, then I say all riders should take the test. I wonder how many would be on the same charge as Darcy! Or at the very least INSIST riders have one of these breathalysers in their tool kit to test themselves before entering the stadium.

 

The easiest solution is don't drink alcohol the night before.

[waiheke1]

But what you don't seem to understand, is most criminal law is built around intent. It is LIKELY, Darcy didn't INTEND to get so drunk that he would fail a drink test and (maybe) put his co riders in danger.

Thats fine then. Good to know that if I were to get pukked over fir drink driving, I could just say sorry occifer, only meant to have one, accidentally turned into seven or eight, should have hydrated better.

Or sorry sweetheart, didnt mean to sleep wiyh your sister, one thing just kind of led to another but I didnt mean to shag her when I called round to her place at midnighr. Whst on earth are u upset about, there was no intent on my part...

[SteveLyric2]

I really don't understand why this is still carrying on??

 

Even the vast majority of devout Poole (Torun and Piraterna) fans, myself included, are agreeing he's done wrong and should be punished appropriately!!

 

But until the FIM announce their decision its all a bit academic.

 

No doubt when the decision is announced there will be another 30+ pages on how 'right. wrong,fair, unfair, totally ridiculous, perfectly acceptable' the decision is?!

Edited August 20, 2014 by Skidder1

[BWitcher]

But what you don't seem to understand, is most criminal law is built around intent. It is LIKELY, Darcy didn't INTEND to get so drunk that he would fail a drink test and (maybe) put his co riders in danger. If this test is so crucial and so important to all riders safety, then I say all riders should take the test. I wonder how many would be on the same charge as Darcy! Or at the very least INSIST riders have one of these breathalysers in their tool kit to test themselves before entering the stadium.

 

What you don't seem to understand is this isn't criminal law. Its the rules and regulations of the sport and Ward has FAILED the test. It is really very simple.

 

Even in criminal law your argument would be flawed.

Edited August 20, 2014 by BWitcher

[Former devil]

 

 

If nothing is done to punish him then think its going to cause a terrible atmosphere between riders with some turning against ward.

 

Good point and what reaction will he get from the public? With the majority of people on here believing he should get a lengthy ban and rightly so, how will some people react if he doesnt when they next see him ride? How many would take a stand and not pay their money to watch if he hasnt had a suitable punishment?

Edited August 20, 2014 by Former devil

[Speedwaycrazy]

I will give you a clue-he`s not married and he hasn`t got tuberculosis

Never was good on anything cryptic...what the devil are you talking about

[Vincent Blachshadow]

But what you don't seem to understand, is most criminal law is built around intent. It is LIKELY, Darcy didn't INTEND to get so drunk that he would fail a drink test and (maybe) put his co riders in danger. If this test is so crucial and so important to all riders safety, then I say all riders should take the test. I wonder how many would be on the same charge as Darcy! Or at the very least INSIST riders have one of these breathalysers in their tool kit to test themselves before entering the stadium.

 

Not where the breathalyzer's concerned. If that were the case they may as well dump the things since 'no intent' gives at least three ways to not guilty - no intent to go over the limit, no intent to smash into the bollard or whatever, no intent to be in the right place for that idiot to be on my side of the road and hit me.

 

And there is also the old adage that ignorance is no excuse.

[oldace]

But what you don't seem to understand, is most criminal law is built around intent. It is LIKELY, Darcy didn't INTEND to get so drunk that he would fail a drink test and (maybe) put his co riders in danger. If this test is so crucial and so important to all riders safety, then I say all riders should take the test. I wonder how many would be on the same charge as Darcy! Or at the very least INSIST riders have one of these breathalysers in their tool kit to test themselves before entering the stadium.

 

 

This is a serious bid for the forum idiot title. Starman is going to have to work hard to regain it after your posts on this thread

[stevebrum]

I think it's been mentioned already, but I also checked the length of Stefan Danno's ban... it was 8 months. Would ban Darcy to around mid-April 2015.... that seems around the right punishment to me. It is a real punishment, but would leave the door open for, hopefully, a wiser Darcy Ward to return next year.

 

All the best

Rob

 

Any 8 month type ban would see most of it spent in close season, which Darcy will learn nothing from.

 

 

There is an article in Swedish about Darcy : http://www.mvt.se/sport/speedway/?articleid=10070558

 

According to Tony Olsson who have been in contact with FIM, the FIM jury (there lawyers and disciplinary department) are currently working on it and will get to a decision

as soon as possible. FIM are aware of that Darcy's Swedish team have a meeting tonight and Tony Olsson thinks there will be decision taken today.

 

I think 8 months would be a bit to little since it would not have any meaning since he would do the surgery and then be back in time for next years season.

He would have a ban but how much racing would he miss? Hardly any.

 

Its a disgrace if he serves most of his ban out of season, where he can drink as much as he likes anyway.

 

 

It is reported on the Pirates 2014 thread that Ward feels he is not deserving of a ban.

 

If this is true, he has once again learned nothing. Throw the book at him if those are his thoughts.

 

Even the (sensible) Poole fans think he should face a ban. Yet Darcy as always thinks he has done no wrong.

You are right, a ban should reflect his stubborn believe he is innocent.

 

 

 

Out of interest Rob what time of year did Danno's suspension start?

 

EDIT just found it.

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Speedway%3A+GP+stunner+for+Danno.-a068355819

 

Commited the offence in September,

He was banned in December meaning he could not race until the following August, so effectively nearly a whole season

 

As its nearly the end of our domestic season his ban should reflect that most of it is out of season.

 

 

I read somewhere today that Ward whilst sorry does not see why he should either be fined or banned. If true it shows a complete denial of any responsibility or culpability for his actions.

 

Even now he still feels he has got away with it, facing a ban he STILL rode in Sweden last night. It is hardly believable. If he had any respect he would accept and wait for his ban to take place.

FIM are allowing Darcy to go unpunished.

 

 

Ward (just like his British club) seems to revel in this victim role. Its always someone elses fault and everyones out to get them. He needs to accept he's in the wrong here and seek the help he needs, and people like Middleditch need to stop handling him with kid gloves.

 

Like some of the biased fans. They love to think everyone is against them.

 

 

Nicki Pedersen is a hard bordering on dirty rider.

 

Nicki Pedersen is also professional in his attitude to his fitness regime and attitude to the sport

 

Darcy Ward isnt and will never achieve close to what Pedersen has done in the sport wil he continues to behave like a lout out of control of his personal life

 

Nicki Pedersen IS a dirty rider. However you are right, he has earned the right to be treated as a professional right at the top of his game and profession.

 

 

Darcy Ward racing in Sweden tonight. Eurosport NOW

 

Disgraceful he is still allowed to ride, was he breathalysed?

 

 

NOWT!!!

 

If he continues with his current antics.

 

Sad really because he could be a truly GREAT World Champion.

 

His punishment MUST be the same as any other Rider would get. To do anything else would be grossly unfair on other who have/will be Banned for longer.

 

Speedway must stand up and be counted on this one. Had DW not been caught it is not beyond the bounds of possibility that he could have killed or seriously injured someone.

 

What then?

 

As it stands he would be the worst possible role model if he won the World title this year.

Great rider yes, but awful professional behaviour.

Certainly not the type of role model you want in the sport for the kids or those looking to get into the sport.

If Poole had any respect they wouldn't allow Darcy to ride tonight until the FIM have made a decision and shame on his Swedish club for letting him flout the rules.

 

 

This is a serious bid for the forum idiot title. Starman is going to have to work hard to regain it after your posts on this thread

 

Think its safe to say the title remains with the holder.

[waiheke1]

Never was good on anything cryptic...what the devil are you talking about

Ok lets try this. He's not the place a beautiful helen is from.

[Blazeaway]

I can't see what the argument is.

 

Darcy Ward was tested and failed the test.

 

The only argument should be how much a fine or ban should he receive.

 

A sliding scale for alcohol should be in place. So if only 'marginally' over the limit a fine and/or a short ban, to 'massively' over the limit a long ban.

 

As for 'mitigating circumstances' read 'pathetic excuse.'

 

 

The easiest solution is don't drink alcohol the night before.

There shouldn't even be am argument over the length of his ban. There should be hard and fast laws in place which predetermine the punishment of being over the alcohol limit. It's hardly rocket science.

[Speedwaycrazy]

Ok lets try this. He's not the place a beautiful helen is from.

THe penny has dropped....Cameron whatsisname!

[TheReturn]

A sliding scale for alcohol should be in place. So if only 'marginally' over the limit a fine and/or a short ban, to 'massively' over the limit a long ban.

 

Over limit is over limit, end of.

 

If he is under the influence of a substance, he is not 'marginally' under the influence is he? If it 'marginally' impacts on his split second decision making out on track then blanket punishment, regardless of the amount over.

[stevebrum]

Over limit is over limit, end of.

 

If he is under the influence of a substance, he is not 'marginally' under the influence is he? If it 'marginally' impacts on his split second decision making out on track then blanket punishment, regardless of the amount over.

 

 

Bizzarely some STILL defend his actions or the rules around doping.

You just cant make this stuff up.

[StevePark]

Over limit is over limit, end of.

 

If he is under the influence of a substance, he is not 'marginally' under the influence is he? If it 'marginally' impacts on his split second decision making out on track then blanket punishment, regardless of the amount over.

 

Conceded.