stratton Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 (edited) So what your saying is because hes a superstar they should go easy on him?Well by your reasoning a lengthy ban will make him even more popularNo but look into things maybe he has a problem,can they help who knows?yes and you are right if he is banned like Lee he will put bums on seats.I don't know if he will become more popular because whenever I've seen him ride the crowd has been healthy anyway i wonder why?Common sense should prevail,it is not like speedway have anough great thing's going for it to be in a position to dictate. Edited August 19, 2014 by sidney 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 What you saying Sidney is not for the good of the sport. You saying just because someone is a "crowd puller" he should be treated differently to some one else who may not be. That has to be wonky thinking. I am positive that DW needs help, as you imply, and that helps needs to be available - if he wants it - but you cannot go easy on one person because of that. Why? because the next one to come along (and some one will) will expect the same. Wrong way to go IMO, Sidney 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedwaycrazy Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Funny same Australian was drinking in walkabout late fri night too, before the gp!!!! Don't want a name but perhaps the initials 'alledgedly' of this person would be good of course! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 (edited) What you saying Sidney is not for the good of the sport. You saying just because someone is a "crowd puller" he should be treated differently to some one else who may not be. That has to be wonky thinking. I am positive that DW needs help, as you imply, and that helps needs to be available - if he wants it - but you cannot go easy on one person because of that. Why? because the next one to come along (and some one will) will expect the same. Wrong way to go IMO, Sidney Has speedway a choice? i think not, lets see what the level of what he has done wrong first then go from there.The punishment at the worst scenario seems really harsh and it will not happen speedway is dying, now is the wrong time to make an example of somebody. Edited August 19, 2014 by sidney 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Funny same Australian was drinking in walkabout late fri night too, before the gp!!!! Yep and I have seen an opinionated rider commentator in on a Friday a few times before the Cardiff GP. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madame muck Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Don't want a name but perhaps the initials 'alledgedly' of this person would be good of course! It's not hard, which Aussie missed his flight to Poland on the Sunday after Cardiff??!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 I dont know - which Aussie did miss his flight to Poland on the Sunday after Cardiff? Initials will suffice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 It's not hard, which Aussie missed his flight to Poland on the Sunday after Cardiff??!! No idea. Who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Yep and I have seen an opinionated rider commentator in on a Friday a few times before the Cardiff GP. But he wouldn't be riding the next day so the issue is what? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybikespeedway Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 All Darcy needs is Guidance, a Mentor, Adviser , Manager , I would Suggest Michael Lee. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 It's not hard, which Aussie missed his flight to Poland on the Sunday after Cardiff??!!Let's play.... Does he have a moustache?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 (edited) Nobody knows what DW will achieve .... NOWT!!! If he continues with his current antics. Sad really because he could be a truly GREAT World Champion. No but look into things maybe he has a problem,can they help who knows?yes and you are right if he is banned like Lee he will put bums on seats.I don't know if he will become more popular because whenever I've seen him ride the crowd has been healthy anyway i wonder why?Common sense should prevail,it is not like speedway have anough great thing's going for it to be in a position to dictate. His punishment MUST be the same as any other Rider would get. To do anything else would be grossly unfair on other who have/will be Banned for longer. Speedway must stand up and be counted on this one. Had DW not been caught it is not beyond the bounds of possibility that he could have killed or seriously injured someone. What then? Edited August 19, 2014 by The White Knight 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Ward riding tonight in Sweden according to Stefan Andersson. Darcy shouldn't be allowed to compete until the outcome of the investigation. What I'd like to know is what is taking so long, surely it's quite a simple case? How many mitigating factors can there be? Imo FIM needs to take a look at their own rules and perhaps do a total makeover. 1. Any rider getting caught with any forbidden substance in their system (or illegal equipment) should by default receive a temporary ban during while the investigation is ongoing.It should not matter what substance it is or if it is doping or alcohol or drugs. Now Dudek is suspended but Ward is not and Wards offense is much worse. It just shows that there is a huge difference if your name is Darcy Ward or Patryk Dudek. 2. Then there should be pre-defined penalty rate for all of the possible rule violations so that the penalties will be applied automatically.if riders is found guilty. Like if a rider is caught with a tampered silencer, he will automatically receive 6 months suspension (lex Eddie Kennett), getting caught with stimulant substance (like Dudek) 1 year suspension. Getting caught with an alcohol level i,e. between 0,10mg/litre exhaled air and 0,30mg/litre exhaled air 1 year suspension. Over 0,30mg/litre exhaled air 2 years suspension+compulsory "community service". +a medical certification that the rider have been sober for a specified amount of times (like the last 6 months of the suspension) before he can have his license back. Obviously intention to ride while intoxicated should be considered a more major offence then tampering with a silencer or using a minor doping substance. The point is that that every rider gets the same punishment for the same offence if FIM had a standardized penalty rate (straffsats in Swedish)., 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 See Nicki Pedersen has retweeted that it's an outrage that Darcy Ward rode tonight. That's one GP rider making his feelings known. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badge Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 See Nicki Pedersen has retweeted that it's an outrage that Darcy Ward rode tonight. That's one GP rider making his feelings known.And Freddie tweeted this: https://twitter.com/FastFreddieSE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Nicki is getting his own back! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Don't want a name but perhaps the initials 'alledgedly' of this person would be good of course! I will give you a clue-he`s not married and he hasn`t got tuberculosis 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioness Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Common sense Rob, will it happen i doubt it ? again all these numpties on here who get off on crucifying Ward yet they do not realise they f..k the sport even more. I'd rather f..k the sport that someone elses life any day of the week so if thats how you see it and those are the two options I will happily plead guilty to being a 'numpty'. Ward has crucified himself with the help of those who should be advising him with his behaviour and subsequent lack of remorse and understanding. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stadia Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Imo FIM needs to take a look at their own rules and perhaps do a total makeover. 1. Any rider getting caught with any forbidden substance in their system (or illegal equipment) should by default receive a temporary ban during while the investigation is ongoing.It should not matter what substance it is or if it is doping or alcohol or drugs. Now Dudek is suspended but Ward is not and Wards offense is much worse. It just shows that there is a huge difference if your name is Darcy Ward or Patryk Dudek. 2. Then there should be pre-defined penalty rate for all of the possible rule violations so that the penalties will be applied automatically.if riders is found guilty. Like if a rider is caught with a tampered silencer, he will automatically receive 6 months suspension (lex Eddie Kennett), getting caught with stimulant substance (like Dudek) 1 year suspension. Getting caught with an alcohol level i,e. between 0,10mg/litre exhaled air and 0,30mg/litre exhaled air 1 year suspension. Over 0,30mg/litre exhaled air 2 years suspension+compulsory "community service". +a medical certification that the rider have been sober for a specified amount of times (like the last 6 months of the suspension) before he can have his license back. Obviously intention to ride while intoxicated should be considered a more major offence then tampering with a silencer or using a minor doping substance. The point is that that every rider gets the same punishment for the same offence if FIM had a standardized penalty rate (straffsats in Swedish)., Why? Booze is legal, silencer tampering isn't and nor is smoking dope. Obviously excessive drinking is illegal if you drive a car and if you ride a speedway bike. Where the boundaries are blurred regarding booze, is the FIM limit, apparently, is very low and Darcy was caught on a breathalyzer the following day, after the night before. Now, if at the end of the day, he had drunk booze, say at 10.00 am before the GP, I would have no sympathy. If he had stopped drinking at 2.00 am and was seen in a burger bar, seemingly sober, as has been suggested, I have full sympathy. If what has been suggested is true, how the hell was Darcy to know he was over the FIM limit? Yes, he could have said at 9.00 pm, time for bed and gone back to his hotel, but he is a young fella and I for one, would have done what he did. People on here can say, 'but he is a professional speedway rider and should act professionally', but as we know, these guys put their necks on the line and most earn about enough to earn a living. They are not paid like the 'prima donna' professional football players. Speedway is dying on it's backside, this 'hang em and flog em' aint going to help. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 What are you talking about? You will have to explain how booze is 'legal' and silence tampering isn't. I can only assume you are saying that drinking alcohol is 'legal' by the law of the land, but silence tampering is 'illegal' by the rules of speedway... Rather pathetic argument that! There are no 'blurred' boundaries at all. It doesn't matter what has been 'suggested'. For him to have failed the test he must have consumed a significant amount of alcohol... Facts win out over suggestions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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