PHILIPRISING Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 So if I understand things right, the local FIM-jury can only DSQ him from the actual GP, fine him a maximum of 3000 €uros and that further possible suspensions will have to come from the Medical Commission at the FIM? CORRECT CORRECT SEEN Darcy back here in Riga and he is distraught. Doesn't change anything but he certainly isn't taking it lightly. Any ban will ensure he misses a top eight place in the SGP this year and rule him out of a wild card place in 2015. He might also miss the Aussie qualifiers for the 2015 GP Challenge which means that unless a wild card pick is forthcoming at the end of the 2015 campaign the SGP in 2016 will also be out of the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 So if reports are to be believed, he went out last night (in his words to a restaurant) obviously had an alcoholic drink(s), then got the bad news, and in his own words didn't eat properly and didn't "hydrate" after that. Cos it's well known that alcohol dehydrates you. So his defence of receiving bad news in my eyes is negated because he had the alcohol before getting the bad news. "Who were his companions last night? Fellow riders? Or Advisors? Did they eat? Did they Drink? Did they "hydrate"? I'd suggest they are not very good friends if they allowed him to do this and certainly are not good advisors. None of the above is a defence, just thinking out loud so to speak. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 How long is that likely to take I wonder and can he ride in the meantime? The FIM have to deal with the matter "expeditiously" and have the right to impose a "provisional suspension" until then. Unfortunately, the Articles referenced as detailing the suspension procedure don't exist in the regs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 The FIM ruling on doping tests - seems clear to me. 10.3 Ineligibility for Other Anti-Doping Rule Violations The period of Ineligibility for violations of these Anti-Doping Rules other than as provided in Article 10.2 shall be as follows: 10.3.1 For violations of Article 2.3 (refusing or failing to submit to Sample collection) or Article 2.5 (Tampering with Doping Control), the Ineligibility period shall be two (2) years unless the conditions provided in Article 10.5, or the conditions provided in Article 10.6, are me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanobe Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 CORRECT SEEN Darcy back here in Riga and he is distraught. Doesn't change anything but he certainly isn't taking it lightly. Any ban will ensure he misses a top eight place in the SGP this year and rule him out of a wild card place in 2015. He might also miss the Aussie qualifiers for the 2015 GP Challenge which means that unless a wild card pick is forthcoming at the end of the 2015 campaign the SGP in 2016 will also be out of the question. Phil - give it a few months, and he will be forgotten about. Trust me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyretrax Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 Midlo should be suspended by the BSPA for advocating Darcy's behaviour. It's not the 1st time and would also class that man a danger to British Speedway. He's a big drinker himself and clearly sees no problem as long as there's an excuse. BSPA, sort your members out Could you reveal how you know that Neil is a big drinker? I've been in his company and he's only had a couple of beers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 to effectively knock him out of the top 8, only to then hand him a wildcard would be ridiculous 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 The FIM ruling on doping tests - seems clear to me. 10.3 Ineligibility for Other Anti-Doping Rule Violations The period of Ineligibility for violations of these Anti-Doping Rules other than as provided in Article 10.2 shall be as follows: 10.3.1 For violations of Article 2.3 (refusing or failing to submit to Sample collection) or Article 2.5 (Tampering with Doping Control), the Ineligibility period shall be two (2) years unless the conditions provided in Article 10.5, or the conditions provided in Article 10.6, are me Erm...Surely the part of the regulations that you are quoting is irrelevant. That refers to refusing to submit a sample or tampering with doping control. Having said that, the standard ban for a first offence IS 2 years. However, how does regulation 10.4 fit in with failing an alcohol test? There is no question of him trying to enhance his performance with alcohol and I am sure he can explain how it entered his system 10.4 Elimination or Reduction of the Period of Ineligibility for Specified Substances under Specific Circumstances Where a Rider or other Person can establish how a Specified Substance entered his or her body or came into his or her possession and that such Specified Substance was not intended to enhance the Riders sport performance or mask the use of a performance-enhancing substance, the period of Ineligibility found in Article 10.2 shall be replaced with the following: First violation: At a minimum, a reprimand and no period of Ineligibility from future events (competitions), and at a maximum, two (2) years of Ineligibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 Erm...Surely the part of the regulations that you are quoting is irrelevant. That refers to refusing to submit a sample or tampering with doping control. Having said that, the standard ban for a first offence IS 2 years. However, how does regulation 10.4 fit in with failing an alcohol test? There is no question of him trying to enhance his performance with alcohol and I am sure he can explain how it entered his system 10.4 Elimination or Reduction of the Period of Ineligibility for Specified Substances under Specific Circumstances Where a Rider or other Person can establish how a Specified Substance entered his or her body or came into his or her possession and that such Specified Substance was not intended to enhance the Riders sport performance or mask the use of a performance-enhancing substance, the period of Ineligibility found in Article 10.2 shall be replaced with the following: First violation: At a minimum, a reprimand and no period of Ineligibility from future events (competitions), and at a maximum, two (2) years of Ineligibility. The correct article 10.1 does give the same 2 year ban. The problem is that the FIM anti-doping regs are just a rehash of the WADA Code, as indicated by the information that alcohol is prohibited in Air Sports (FAI), Archery (WA), Automobile (FIA), Karate (WKF), Motorcycling (FIM) & Powerboating (UIM). They mainly deal with drugs, and alcohol only seems to be mentioned in the banned substance listing appendix and 10.4 does appear to be a get out of jail card in regard to alcohol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 slap on the wrist and suspended ban I reckon I was surprised nothing was said about Darcy walking from the centre to the pit gate while the race was still in progress at Kings Lynn SWC, and also parking his bike during a race 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stadia Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 slap on the wrist and suspended ban I reckon I was surprised nothing was said about Darcy walking from the centre to the pit gate while the race was still in progress at Kings Lynn SWC, and also parking his bike during a race You mean Michael Lee style Steve? That is bad, I have to say. But being an ex rider Steve, what do you make of this alcohol thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 when I broke my thigh at Exeter I was hit by someone that was on something illegal, so when it comes to racing while under the influence, that's a big no no 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 Thank God Ward was caught before he rode and potentially did some damage. I wouldn't patronise him for wasting his talent and opportunities. It's his life and his priorities. If this is what he wants, he lives with the consequences later on in life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Fever Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 (edited) what rubbish if he doesn't learn from a lengthy ban he never will. He's had plenty of guidance in the past and its done nothing. Really? So hes banned for next season...you think he'll be counting the days till he can resume his speedway career? Of course he won't - he'll probably be lost to the sport. What he needs is PROPER guidance from his peers and ex-riders like Crumpy . I'm assuming you enjoy watching him ride, as a lot of people do - whether they're his fans or not - so from a speedway point of view it would surely be better if he was able to continue? Unless of course you're one of those strange people* who delights in seeing someone talented fall flat on their face? Phil - give it a few months, and he will be forgotten about. Trust me. * Oh look - there's one! CORRECT SEEN Darcy back here in Riga and he is distraught. Doesn't change anything but he certainly isn't taking it lightly. Any ban will ensure he misses a top eight place in the SGP this year and rule him out of a wild card place in 2015. He might also miss the Aussie qualifiers for the 2015 GP Challenge which means that unless a wild card pick is forthcoming at the end of the 2015 campaign the SGP in 2016 will also be out of the question. Thank you for the information - makes a change to see FACTS on here. Edited August 17, 2014 by Star Fever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stadia Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 when I broke my thigh at Exeter I was hit by someone that was on something illegal, so when it comes to racing while under the influence, that's a big no no But alcohol is not illegal Steve. I totally agree, drugs are wrong, but the guy goes out the night before a meeting and drinks legal alcohol, which unless I am wrong, you may have done too, as a rider. I rode Grass Track and I drank alcohol the night before a Sunday meeting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 Really? So hes banned for next season...you think he'll be counting the days till he can resume his speedway career? Of course he won't - he'll probably be lost to the sport. What he needs is PROPER guidance from his peers and ex-riders like CrumpyWhy do you say this? Do you think he has some other career that he would be itching to move into if his speedway one was put on hold for a year? Obviously Havvy was banned for a year for his drugs offence and he did sit and count the days until he could race again, then went off and won the World Title. There is absolutely no reason why Darcy couldn't do the same IF he does receive a ban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 Really? So hes banned for next season...you think he'll be counting the days till he can resume his speedway career? Of course he won't - he'll probably be lost to the sport. What he needs is PROPER guidance from his peers and ex-riders like Crumpy . I'm assuming you enjoy watching him ride, as a lot of people do - whether they're his fans or not - so from a speedway point of view it would surely be better if he was able to continue? Unless of course you're one of those strange people* who delights in seeing someone talented fall flat on their face? * Oh look - there's one! Thank you for the information - makes a change to see FACTS on here. I haven't seen one rider condone what Darcy Ward did. I wonder if that's cos it's their lives on the line. If in doubt read Steve Hones post 2 above this one. Fans entertainment comes a very poor second to rider safety. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioness Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 Emil Sayfutdinov got some rather bad family news during a GP series. Tai Woffinden spent a whole GP series with bad family news hanging over him. Never saw these lads fail a breathalyser. Ward is an idiot and deserves all he gets whatever the reasons. Life is hard and sh#t happens all the time to all of us. Character is something you build from life's pitfalls and hurdles. Tai and Emil have character Darcy is an arce. Kick his butt out of the GP and teach him a lesson. Might do him some good as he is a superb speedway rider. This might have got lost now the topic has gone on a number of pages but it puts things in words so well it deserves being highlighted. For those going on about 'did you never make a mistake when you were young' 'he's only 22' - well if its platitudes we are playing with kids of 16 fought and died for their country etc etc Yes I made mistakes although I dont recall making one so big that it would put someones life at risk or my career. I'm a tad older than 22 and I still make mistakes. But not out of wreckless abandon and total lack of thought to others safety. You do the crime...... He IS a fantastic rider there is no doubt about that. But he has just been caught out putting other riders lives at risk by breaking rules that HE signed up to abide by and which are there to try and improve rider safety. IF he is not mature enough to understand and abide by what he signed up for then he shouldnt ride. Simples (sorry Mr Orlov) I genuinely hope someone can step in and get Darcy under control because it would be a hell of a loss to speedway if they couldnt. But that has to be AFTER he has served his punishment CORRECT SEEN Darcy back here in Riga and he is distraught. Doesn't change anything but he certainly isn't taking it lightly. Any ban will ensure he misses a top eight place in the SGP this year and rule him out of a wild card place in 2015. He might also miss the Aussie qualifiers for the 2015 GP Challenge which means that unless a wild card pick is forthcoming at the end of the 2015 campaign the SGP in 2016 will also be out of the question. I was so tempted to ask if that was distraught as a newt cos I can be childish but I wont. Thing is WHY is he distraught? because he was caught? And what about the other two big occasions already referred to on here when he was also said to be 'distraught'. Lip service comes to mind when I broke my thigh at Exeter I was hit by someone that was on something illegal, so when it comes to racing while under the influence, that's a big no no When I hit 'like' I meant I liked your sentiment Steve not your broken thigh! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedwaysliders Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 Darcy must be around Chris Holder and the other GP boys,but i just dont understand him having Alcohol on a GP weekend,Surely Holder or whoever must see this and warn him of his actions.Also being sponsored by Monster,why the hell didnt he drink their products to stop him dehydrating? ITS LABELLED MONSTER ENERGY so if any drink can do the trick that can. Does anyone else think that there must be some other staff mixed in to get a bad test,i cant see Dacy sitting in a public resturant with the GP circus in town drinking alcohol,surely hes not that stupid!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 Darcy must be around Chris Holder and the other GP boys,but i just dont understand him having Alcohol on a GP weekend,Surely Holder or whoever must see this and warn him of his actions.Also being sponsored by Monster,why the hell didnt he drink their products to stop him dehydrating? ITS LABELLED MONSTER ENERGY so if any drink can do the trick that can. Does anyone else think that there must be some other staff mixed in to get a bad test,i cant see Dacy sitting in a public resturant with the GP circus in town drinking alcohol,surely hes not that stupid!! He could of been at risk if he had drunk to much monster too. Be interesting to hear what mr ford thinks about his golden boy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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