Mark Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 I'm not condoning any rider having alcohol in his system but do we know how much alcohol there was ?. In many sports the reading to stop a participant racing is lower than allowed to drive a car in the UK. If he was over the drink/drive limit then it's a very sad day but maybe the reading was low. It would be good to know the facts before being too harsh on Darcy Ward. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor... Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 I'm not condoning any rider having alcohol in his system but do we know how much alcohol there was ?. In many sports the reading to stop a participant racing is lower than allowed to drive a car in the UK. If he was over the drink/drive limit then it's a very sad day but maybe the reading was low. It would be good to know the facts before being too harsh on Darcy Ward. What on earth has the drink driving limit gotta do with it ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stadia Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 But you are a wally even now never mind at 22. In the real world a glass or two of wine or a couple of beers would not have been an issue but to stlll be in his system by midday darcy will have had a sight more than that and/ or been still drinking into the early hours. I doubt his career can be saved from here, for sure a ban will result We have already been told that if tested, there is virtually a zero tolerance to any alcohol in the blood stream! So yes, there would have been a trace mid-day. Doesn't mean he would have been a danger, doesn't mean he wouldn't have won the meeting. It is the typical British attitude, build someone up and take great delight in seeing them tumble. I hope you are enjoying your cocoa Oldace, in your fluffy slippers! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 I'm not condoning any rider having alcohol in his system but do we know how much alcohol there was ?. In many sports the reading to stop a participant racing is lower than allowed to drive a car in the UK. If he was over the drink/drive limit then it's a very sad day but maybe the reading was low. It would be good to know the facts before being too harsh on Darcy Ward. No excuses his reading like every other rider should be ZERO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester Lion Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 I'm not condoning any rider having alcohol in his system but do we know how much alcohol there was ?. In many sports the reading to stop a participant racing is lower than allowed to drive a car in the UK. If he was over the drink/drive limit then it's a very sad day but maybe the reading was low. It would be good to know the facts before being too harsh on Darcy Ward. It has no connection to the drink/drive limit. Speedway sets a lower level because it's a dangerous sport that demands the highest level of alertness and concentration. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 What on earth has the drink driving limit gotta do with it We have no idea how much alcohol was in his system. I'm looking for a comparison. that is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XTC38L Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 I'm not condoning any rider having alcohol in his system but do we know how much alcohol there was ?. In many sports the reading to stop a participant racing is lower than allowed to drive a car in the UK. If he was over the drink/drive limit then it's a very sad day but maybe the reading was low. It would be good to know the facts before being too harsh on Darcy Ward. It doesn't matter if the reading was low. The facts are he failed an alcohol test. A little or a lot over the limit makes no difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 It has no connection to the drink/drive limit. Speedway sets a lower level because it's a dangerous sport that demands the highest level of alertness and concentration. and driving a car at 70mph doesn't.? I'm not condoning but just seeking a comparison It doesn't matter if the reading was low. The facts are he failed an alcohol test. A little or a lot over the limit makes no difference it does make a difference as it shoiws the level of the problem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester Lion Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 and driving a car at 70mph doesn't.? I'm not condoning but just seeking a comparison Yes of course it does. There is no comparison though, and to try to draw one is pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 We have already been told that if tested, there is virtually a zero tolerance to any alcohol in the blood stream! So yes, there would have been a trace mid-day. Doesn't mean he would have been a danger, doesn't mean he wouldn't have won the meeting. It is the typical British attitude, build someone up and take great delight in seeing them tumble. I hope you are enjoying your cocoa Oldace, in your fluffy slippers! Zero tolerance doesnt have to mean teetotal, although for a professional sportsman it is preferable. A glass or two if wine or beer late afternoon/ early evening the day before a match would show no trace by early afternoon the next day. Ward clearly had somewhat more and 22 or not deserves everything he gets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 Yes of course it does. There is no comparison though, and to try to draw one is pointless. we will have to disagree then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 That will remain true until his FIM meeting tomorrow. What time is the meeting do we know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XTC38L Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 and driving a car at 70mph doesn't.? I'm not condoning but just seeking a comparison it does make a difference as it shoiws the level of the problem. Your trying to compare apples with oranges. He failed an alcohol test which is a doping offence. It doesn't matter how much he is over its either pass or fail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 Doesn't mean he would have been a danger, doesn't mean he wouldn't have won the meeting. ...does mean he broke the rules. Game set and match FIM! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 What time is the meeting do we know? JUST got back to hotel in Riga (11pm local time) and haven't the time or energy to trawl through the previous 15 pages tonight. Darcy Ward had a hearing with the FIM Jury at Daugavpils and was fined the maximum 3,000 euros for failing an alcohol test. A report will now be sent to the Medical Commission at the FIM and he must await the outcome of that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 (edited) JUST got back to hotel in Riga (11pm local time) and haven't the time or energy to trawl through the previous 15 pages tonight. Darcy Ward had a hearing with the FIM Jury at Daugavpils and was fined the maximum 3,000 euros for failing an alcohol test. A report will now be sent to the Medical Commission at the FIM and he must await the outcome of that. So if I understand things right, the local FIM-jury can only DSQ him from the actual GP, fine him a maximum of 3000 €uros and that further possible suspensions will have to come from the Medical Commission at the FIM? Edited August 17, 2014 by Ghostwalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC! Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 JUST got back to hotel in Riga (11pm local time) and haven't the time or energy to trawl through the previous 15 pages tonight. Darcy Ward had a hearing with the FIM Jury at Daugavpils and was fined the maximum 3,000 euros for failing an alcohol test. A report will now be sent to the Medical Commission at the FIM and he must await the outcome of that. Thanks for the update Phil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 If the bloke went out on the raz last night knowing he was riding a speedway bike competitively the next lunch-time he deserves everything he gets. What the legal level is here, there or Timbuktoo has no bearing on the matter. Many people, me included when still working, have jobs where they need to be 100% sober so stay off the pop the previous night accordingly - he should have done the same. Well said. Maybe they should have interviewed him before the start of the meeting, not hours later Good point. Ed Kennett got a six month worldwide ban and a £2500 fine for using an illegal silencer. Should a similar penalty be imposed on Darcy for being over the limit? Taking Kennett's ban as a yardstick should Darcy get more, less or the same ? What do people think ? Think the yardstick is already set ie Stefan Danno. Should have the same ban Steffan Danno did for failing a breath test , can't be one rule for and a different one for another Like you say, the precedent has already been set. You know its a stitch up if Ward gets anything less. There are posters on here who will say its a Poole thing, but you couldn't be further from the truth. We all know Darcy has immense talent, but he has no defence of a crime this bad. Bearing in mind Michael Lee got ban for 12 months for upsetting the Powers at b, a similar ban must be expected as a minimal penalty for Darcy. During which time, hopefully he will have grow up and be the Champion everyone prophesises when he come back.. Today, not only did he let the Fans down, the sponsors, his clubs, and the sport, but he also let himself down . Big time...... And Middlo, he has no excuse...... To be fair it is only the same blinkered few Poole fans. He will almost certainly drop out of the top 8. I would like him to have a wildcard for next season. This could be the kick up the rear he needed. He is definitely Grand Prix material. I think an 8 month ban is more than sufficient. He certainly won't take an 8 month ban lightly. Wrong, he already has. Even the threat of having his career ruined when he fleed from the police after drinking and taking drugs hasn't changed him. He certainly WILL take it lightly. id make him go throug the qualifyers, and not hand it to him on a plate, then just maybe, he may respect it a bit more! That is a good point! I'm referring SOLELY to this incident. Whatever else he's done should have NO BEARING on this incident. You obviously bear him some sort of grudge, or maybe you're just so perfect that any transgressor should be punished? You are kidding right?? No previous should count?? He has had several last chances - time to own up to all of them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 How long is that likely to take I wonder and can he ride in the meantime? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 I find it incredible that people are making excuses for Ward...there are no excuses..full stop....being 22 is not an excuse...hearing bad news is not an excuse....there are no excuses and he should be banned for the rest of this season at least and from next years series as well.. There are too many apologists for Ward , and certainly so within his close circle..it needs a lengthy ban to maybe make him see sense and it certainly needs somebody like Middleditch to actually stand up to him and say he is an idiot...being surrounded by apologists and yes men is the worse thing that can happen to anybody and in the long run will do Ward no favours at all In fairness its only the usual Poole apologists. They would excuse anything. ...does mean he broke the rules. Game set and match FIM! Well said. How long is that likely to take I wonder and can he ride in the meantime? Disgraceful if he does. He should be banned UNTIL the outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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