idanthyrsus Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Stead nearly put josh in the fence with his riding that's why josh kicked off Just to correct that statement - stead _did_ put Josh into the fence. I.e. there was contact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Rubbish..Josh simply went to have a word with Stead after race and bikes came together i hope this is right as id not like any rider for my team doing such a thing Nice to see 3 Brits in the final Well done to Simon Stead  (but about time the PLRC was run on a neutral track (EL) and ELRC on a PL track. what would you class as a neutral track most riders ride all tracks at somepoint and only way to make it neutrall for that years race would be to not allow a home rider in the meeting which would not really be very good for numbers through the turnstyles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 most riders ride all tracks at somepoint Not every week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bostonian Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Â Typical Sheffield riding tactic, see Shawn Wilson or Compton. They have to drive you to fence as there is so much space at sheff you can get around if they leave the smallest gap. Only issue is Stead,Wilson,Compton usually got assy when it was done to them. Â Think thats very OTT. It was quiet clear from the programme and build up to the meeting that Stead was desperate to win this season. He was a little too hard on Josh on that occasion.. But to say its a 'typical' style is wrong and way off the mark! Â I enjoyed yesterdays meeting from a neutral point of view. Was great to see Steady win it after his superb season and infront of his fans. Looked a good crowd about, just a shame some couldnt behave around the pits after heat 16, although I think it was just a heat of the moment thing. Â Congratulations to Sheffield Speedway who put on a great day! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Not every week i agree but just how do you pick a neutrall track and still have the riders from all clubs involved or all the top seeded riders and some riders who have mooved to a new track might still be the fastest most experienced rider at his old track i think sheffield is a great place to hold such events but maybe the southern fans dont like traveling north well im about as far north as we get in sppedway terms so sheffield is still a few hours drive south so its not my local track but nicely postioned somewhere in the middle for all traveling fans  its got good facilites good parking right out side and a track that can produce some good racing if prepaired right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Have it at Birmingham next year, if they return. Good track, & a central location. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cue Ball Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Just to correct that statement - stead _did_ put Josh into the fence. I.e. there was contact. Was there? Nobody else seemed to see it, either between Simon and Josh or between Josh and the fence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 josh clipped the fence according to the updates site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EIS002 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 More interesting reading on the comets site, I wish people would report it correctly. Â Josh clipped the Air Fence fact, I do hope his collar bone is not broken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gr8scot Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 As a neutral, Simon's move on Josh was disgraceful and I understand why Josh was angry. I'm not condoning what happened but speedway is dangerous enough..... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idanthyrsus Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Was there? Nobody else seemed to see it, either between Simon and Josh or between Josh and the fence So when you say nobody else saw it, you mean apart from the updates and the half dozen people on here who also saw it. Obviously. Â I was stood about five yards from the fence that he hit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 However, it appears that you are suggesting we should play second fiddle. I guess a lot will come down to what is written into riders contracts and when they are signed. E.g. If Olli Allen was contracted to Wanda Krakow and his contract made it clear that he would be required for all Team matches then that has to take precidence over some British fixture that the suits in Rugby decide on at a later date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 I guess a lot will come down to what is written into riders contracts and when they are signed. E.g. If Olli Allen was contracted to Wanda Krakow and his contract made it clear that he would be required for all Team matches then that has to take precidence over some British fixture that the suits in Rugby decide on at a later date. It was only Allen's second meeting of the season for the Polish club v +30 for Somerset. It's not about precedence, it's about showing some loyalty and respect. The PLRC isn't just a meeting filler, it's supposed to be the best riders of the season battling to be overall champion. It wasn't just 'some British fixture' when he so proudly won it last season. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
springdale Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 AQ\ Â It was only Allen's second meeting of the season for the Polish club v +30 for Somerset. It's not about precedence, it's about showing some loyalty and respect. The PLRC isn't just a meeting filler, it's supposed to be the best riders of the season battling to be overall champion. It wasn't just 'some British fixture' when he so proudly won it last season. Â Well said, after all he is a British rider and I would have thought his loyalty would have been to his British club. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 It was only Allen's second meeting of the season for the Polish club v +30 for Somerset. It's not about precedence, it's about showing some loyalty and respect. The PLRC isn't just a meeting filler, it's supposed to be the best riders of the season battling to be overall champion. It wasn't just 'some British fixture' when he so proudly won it last season. Â When it comes to Polish Speedway, their contracts are usually along the lines of..."if chosen you will ride" - the fact that he hasn't been chosen much in the past is neither here nor there. Breach your contract and you get into trouble, the same in Poland as anywhere else in the country. Â Loyalty and respect - fantastic and romantic notions, neither of which pays the mortgage - applies just as much in one country as in another. Are you suggesting that he disrespect his Polish fans as well as being in breach of contract? Â Hell, we go on about Polish riders "picking and choosing" when to attend meetings in the UK, but you'd be quite happy for British riders to gain the same sort of reputation in Poland...and then when the Poles don't want to employ British riders, and Team GB stagnates as a result, you'll quite happily blame who for it???...oh I forgot...team GB already are stagnating because British riders (barring one or two exceptions) have a pants reputation in Poland and aren't developing at the same pace as their continental counterparts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 Â When it comes to Polish Speedway, their contracts are usually along the lines of..."if chosen you will ride" - the fact that he hasn't been chosen much in the past is neither here nor there. Breach your contract and you get into trouble, the same in Poland as anywhere else in the country. Â He said himself the other week he had made himself unavailable all season to his Polish team as he wanted to concentrate on Somerset, until the past few weeks when he had abit more spare time and decided to earn some extra dosh. I think this actually would of been his 3rd Polish meeting this season, and in the previous two he had top scored for them. Â So, it does beg the question why he hadn't made himself 'unavailable' for Sunday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EIS002 Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 As a neutral, Simon's move on Josh was disgraceful and I understand why Josh was angry. I'm not condoning what happened but speedway is dangerous enough..... I'm not neutral, and I have to agree. Well said. So when you say nobody else saw it, you mean apart from the updates and the half dozen people on here who also saw it. Obviously. I was stood about five yards from the fence that he hit. You were on the ctr green then?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 When it comes to Polish Speedway, their contracts are usually along the lines of..."if chosen you will ride" - the fact that he hasn't been chosen much in the past is neither here nor there. Breach your contract and you get into trouble, the same in Poland as anywhere else in the country. Â Loyalty and respect - fantastic and romantic notions, neither of which pays the mortgage - applies just as much in one country as in another. Are you suggesting that he disrespect his Polish fans as well as being in breach of contract? Â Hell, we go on about Polish riders "picking and choosing" when to attend meetings in the UK, but you'd be quite happy for British riders to gain the same sort of reputation in Poland...and then when the Poles don't want to employ British riders, and Team GB stagnates as a result, you'll quite happily blame who for it???...oh I forgot...team GB already are stagnating because British riders (barring one or two exceptions) have a pants reputation in Poland and aren't developing at the same pace as their continental counterparts. This the PL we are debating, most of those that pulled out have probably reached their level or are foreign. Can't see this instance assisting Team GB's climb up the rankings. Â 2 meetings in Poland without PL meetings would surely put a rider out of work. Might struggle with the mortgage if that were the case. Â In Allens case, he recently stated in 2 interviews that PL was his priority this season. Then a few weeks later 'chose' the Polish play offs over the PLRC due to the money on offer. I can understand that but given the number of meetings provided by his PL club, and resulting wages, I would have expected the PLRC to take priority. Can't imagine it would have an adverse effect on the Polish attendance. Whereas when all the riders pulled out so did I. It's supposed to be the top riders from each team - that's the meeting I wanted to see. Â As we have all said, the annoying bit is it could have been avoided with simple forward planning. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idanthyrsus Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 I'm not neutral, and I have to agree. Well said. Â You were on the ctr green then?? No, I was about five yards from the fence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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