BluPanther Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 It's high time racing incidents give the referee the option of putting all four back, rather than having to exclude someone. Making a decision on some of these incidents is sometimes akin to tossing up a coin.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 It was a bad ref decision For me. I think AJ blocked KK'S view so KK didd'nt know nicki was already there. It was just a case at wrong place wrong time all caused by AJ being bang in the middle of them both. No one at fault but if and a big if anyone had to go it was KK as nicki got to the corner first. But surely it's now time to have another rule for just racing accidents. Only thing with that though is maybe refs will always make easy decisions and bottle it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 (edited) It's high time racing incidents give the referee the option of putting all four back, rather than having to exclude someone. Making a decision on some of these incidents is sometimes akin to tossing up a coin..As some have said the referee's may never exclude anyone. But for me, a far more dangerous situation could arise where rider's over ride and take harder risks knowing if it goes wrong they could be back in the rerun through "a racing incident". We're never going to agree on every exclusion and that adds to the entertainment. For me, I'd keep the exclusion rule purely for safety purposes. Edited October 12, 2014 by screamer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcelle Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 Well done Greg, KK and Nicki.....good meeting spoilt by the Ref...I have been critical of Nicki in the past but last night he certainly got the wrong end of the decision.He would have won the GP.....Good to see Tai as outgoing Champion congratulating all the riders at the end....What a stadium and track.brilliant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 So those defending Nicki are using that he was "in the lead" as the reason he shouldnt have been excluded. I take it that if AJ had turned left on him whilst still "in the lead" down the straight and sent him onto the infield that wouldve acceptable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 Well done Mr Greg Hancock, like a fine wine keeps getting better with age. Terrible decision to exclude Nicki in my humble opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 It just goes to show how difficult a decision it was for the referee. I also think the referee called it correct. Looking at the incident from start to finish I'm not having it that KK knew Pedersen was there and tried to lean on him is absolutely balls. Pedersen was 4th going down the back straight and to go from 4th to 1st Pedersen took a totally unnatural line to go into the bend. KK didn't look behind him and just looked to race his own race. Pedersen made contact with KK forcing KK wide who himself tried bloody hard to stay on. I wouldn't of called it any other way than how the referee called it. I though it was pretty straight forward. It's all down to opinion and any suggestion that the referee bottled it is ridiculous. Flawed logic. Nicki didn't hit KK, as Nicki was the only place he could be, right on the inside. KK was the one who veered across the track and hit Nicki. KK had the option of entering the bend wider, he chose not too. I don't think it was deliberate, but he tried to get across to the inside and it was too late, Nicki was already there. It was pretty straight forward.. unless you want to make things up to suit your argument. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 KK couldve gone in 5 yards wider and they would still have collided. Nicki was on the inside but had no intention of staying there - by the apex of the bend he was kissing the fence with his back wheel. Again those defending Nicki say "what was he meant to do shut off and let the others stay in front when he spotted the gap going down the straight" but then say KK shouldve got out of his way! Double standards. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 SHADES of Pedersen/Holder two years ago. Opinion seems to be fairly evenly split on here ... unlike in the stadium! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 SHADES of Pedersen/Holder two years ago. Opinion seems to be fairly evenly split on here ... unlike in the stadium! Not sure Philip, For once I would say 90% of posters think Nicki was hard done to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horneymikh Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 At the point of contact Nicki was ahead and not moving out, Kt hit Nicki, just seems that the rider on the inside will always get the rough deal, or if your name is Nicki... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 It wasn't a straight forward decision but Pedersen did hit him and force him wide, if KK had gone straight down it would have been an easier call but he clearly tried to save it but lost it at the end. The trouble that Nicki has is his reputation and past, he is now clearly suffering from it, very few people including referees give him the benefit of the doubt. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 (edited) Whoever you think should have been excluded I think Pedersen needs to start riding with a bit more intelligence......he keeps steaming up the inside of people with the intention of taking them wide but if there is any kind of contact they go down and the ref usually sides with the struck rider. Pedersen keeps putting himself in the position where he can be excluded. Time for him to start riding with more brains and less brawn. Edited October 12, 2014 by Gordon Bennett 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 What I did find surprising was in the run off between NP and Tai. To all the people I was with it was obvious that with Tai going wide on the bend that NP was going to cut to the outside and stop him going past. Tai had to slow down because NP was right in front of him. Why did Tai not realise what NP was probably going to do and cut back inside him. NP may have got past him later but it seemed to be a simple mistake that Tai made. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billywamill Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 It wasn't a straight forward decision but Pedersen did hit him and force him wide, if KK had gone straight down it would have been an easier call but he clearly tried to save it but lost it at the end. The trouble that Nicki has is his reputation and past, he is now clearly suffering from it, very few people including referees give him the benefit of the doubt. You reap what you sow I'm afraid. Don't think any of the other riders will be losing any sleep about any perceived bias against Pedersen. He got away with things in the past when he was Top Dog but not anymore. My view was that his bike dragged him slighty quicker into the corner than he expected - he seemed to shoot forward slightly just as he arrived at the bend, which resulted in the contact which KK didn't expect. It was a 50/50 call and I think either rider would have been unhappy with any decision against them. What I did find surprising was in the run off between NP and Tai. To all the people I was with it was obvious that with Tai going wide on the bend that NP was going to cut to the outside and stop him going past. Tai had to slow down because NP was right in front of him. Why did Tai not realise what NP was probably going to do and cut back inside him. NP may have got past him later but it seemed to be a simple mistake that Tai made. Agreed - I was shouting at the TV as he went down the back straight - "Inside! Inside!" Seemed a little naive. I thought the same in the Semi where Tai gave Nicki loads of room to come between Hampel and himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 Whoever you think should have been excluded I think Pedersen needs to start riding with a bit more intelligence......he keeps steaming up the inside of people with the intention of taking them wide but if there is any kind of contact they go down and the ref usually sides with the struck rider. Pedersen keeps putting himself in the position where he can be excluded. Time for him to start riding with more brains and less brawn. I 100pc agree. Was it a harsh decision? Id say yes although I agreed with it, maybe with clouded judgment. But It was typical NP. It's ALWAYS him involved. For those saying he's box office of entertaining or being harshly treated cos of what he's done in the past I'd say 2 things. 1. ask the other 15 riders in the field if they think he's being treated harshly. He might be excluded when he shouldn't be sometimes but he's risking their health and often their lives on a REGULAR BASIS. 2. He's done stuff in the past that's warranted him being banned for a long time so the odd exclusion isn't all that bad in my eyes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGT Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 Cracking GP, it really had everything. Congrats to Greg "Herbie" Hancock © N. Pearson, a truly great champ. Never really been a fan, but I have to say he deserved it 100% Talking of deserving it, I actually thought the decision to exclude NP was the right one. A move like that is always a risky one, coming through the pack like that everything needs to be just right for it to be successful. Unfortunately KK was in the wrong place at the wrong time for Nicki. All in all it was the perfect end to the GP season on probably the best track in the world (after Stoke } Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 FURROW Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 Whoever you think should have been excluded I think Pedersen needs to start riding with a bit more intelligence......he keeps steaming up the inside of people with the intention of taking them wide but if there is any kind of contact they go down and the ref usually sides with the struck rider. Pedersen keeps putting himself in the position where he can be excluded. Time for him to start riding with more brains and less brawn. Absolute BULL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 Difficult to have a discussion about it if that's all you are going to offer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedwaysliders Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 SHADES of Pedersen/Holder two years ago. Opinion seems to be fairly evenly split on here ... unlike in the stadium! Phillip,did anything happen in the pits when KK ran across the centre green and into the pits to find Nikki? Many KK reations tipped the balance in his favour when the ref saw that!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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